Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ultimate leagues

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty 06:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

List of Ultimate leagues
Nothing but a list of external links. Zoe 05:04, August 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: This article and list was created as an offshoot of some of the reorganization of Ultimate (sport).  It provides a concise list without cluttering the main article and other wikispace.
 * Results 1 - 10 of about 552,000 English pages for "ultimate frisbee". (0.50 seconds)
 * Results 1 - 10 of about 81,000 English pages for "ultimate frisbee" leagues. (0.26 seconds) 
 * Notable and provides organization. In the interest of full disclosure, I am the original creator of the article (splitting it out from the main page).  Wikibofh 05:24, August 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep per Wikibofh. It could clearly be merged with Ultimate (sport) but that article is already very long.  -- DS1953 06:40, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. Zoe 18:22, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * That section also says "There is nothing wrong with adding to an article a list of content-relevant links; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia." Personally, I find the items on this list to be relevant and not excessive with respect to the article that underlies the list.  The key for me, however, is that this article looks and feels more like a list, and not just a list of external links.  If someone created a list of all the Senators and Congressmen from a particular state but also added the official website for each individual on the list, is that article now a "repository of links"?  In my opinion, the policy is fine and this article does not violate the policy. -- DS1953 22:58, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * At the time that this was listed for VfD, there was NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING here but external links and descriptions of them. This was, therefore, not a list of links illustrating an article, but merely a list of links.  Zoe 23:06, August 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * Rename to List of Ultimate Frisbee leagues. The sport is known by both terms and this one is more easily understood by outsiders. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 00:27, August 14, 2005 (UTC) Delete, but copy the national leagues to the main Ultimate (sport) article. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt;  20:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * FWIW, it already redirects that to here. I think someone moved it from that to where it is now.  Wikibofh 01:08, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ultimate Frisbee may be a more recognizable name to outsiders, but Frisbee is a trademark and Ultimate is the more correct name. Bcordes 01:46, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Having the page will encourage new pages to be written about the organizations.  Ultimate Players Association already exists, for example.  Part of encouraging new pages might be to change the links on the "List of" page to wikilinks, perhaps followed by external links. Bcordes 01:46, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Will the people who are voting keep please edit WP:NOT to say that we encourage articles which contain nothing but external links? Zoe 19:44, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Come on Zoe, I recognize what your're saying, and I think your right about the criteria. I think this list saves us a lot of hassle in the main article and I think it could be expanded to internal links so I'd prefer it wasn't deleted.  That's all. It's not like we're being rabid about this. Wikibofh 20:24, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * By voting keep, you are voting to go against official policy. Either delete this page or change the policy.  Zoe 23:13, August 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a repository of external links.  The article has no actual content.  --TheKoG 19:49, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a repository of external links. The article has no actual content.  - UtherSRG (talk) 19:54, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as it stands. Those are entirely external links. The only reason it isn't speediable is because there is more than one of them. However, if this were either rewritten or recreated as a list of internal links that would be a different matter. -Splash 19:57, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've changed two of them to have the internal links. I recognize that 2 out of this number is not particularly significant, but they were articles that already existed.  Wikibofh 20:24, August 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Mackensen (talk) 20:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Zoe Dottore So 22:04, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As Splash, delete unless made internal. A list of the top returns on Google has no place on Wikipedia.  However a list of notable ultimate leagues would be a reasonable wiki page.  I am willing to believe that the national leagues are notable, so if you want to turn those into redlinks each followed by an html link, I would be okay with that.  As for the regional/local clubs, that is going to take a bit more convincing that any of them belong in an encyclopedia.  Dragons flight 02:14, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Red linked the national organizations. Wrote the article for one of the locals.  I think it's notable...but perhaps it too will end up here. :)  Wikibofh 05:06, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a web directory. --Carnildo 05:28, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, per WP:NOT. If the list is overwhelming the article, I'd say we have two options -- one is to increase the article's length so that this list isn't overwhelming. Two, trim the list intelligently -- provide links to a few sites which will helpfully steer someone to the many, many ultimate leagues in the world.  Creating a page of links just isn't the right choice. Jwrosenzweig 08:38, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOT. If a directory of links is needed, then create it on an external site and link to that one from the main article. Thryduulf 10:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:NOT, as above. Carbonite | Talk 11:48, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nominator.--nixie 12:31, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought this place was supposed to be an online encyclopedia, not GoogleLite. Delete. --Calton | Talk 15:45, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is obviously WP:NOT. Go use DMOZ for this. - Taxman Talk 14:05, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
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