Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States Presidents by longevity (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. This particular afd debate has no consensus. It appears the article has already been merged, which seems like a suitable editorial (as opposed to afd) decision. Peter 13:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

List of United States Presidents by longevity
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I put this up a month ago, and it came back as no consensus. As such, I'm putting back up so maybe one could be reached this time. The list itself violates WP:NOT, and is redundant to List of United States Presidents by age, which is sortable. I'm not going to nominate the other lists in the previous AfD yet in case this again comes back as no consensus. Kwsn (Ni!) 20:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOT. Useless and duplicate. ~EdBoy[c] 20:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Kevinwong913  Speak out loud! 20:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The work on creating a unified table is incomplete. Let the team working on the project decide when its time to delete them down to one copy. The sort function is still not working. Its treating the numerical sort as an alphanumerical sort still. Many kinks still need to be worked out. Sort on a numerical column and you will see its goes 2,000 1,000 100 900 800. And if you read [:WP:NOT#STATS]], It says that there should be no raw statistics without sufficient explanatory text, not that there should be no statistics. A reference work without statistics is useless. When the work is complete, there will be one table and all the explanatory text from all three articles. The completed master table needs to be compared to each of the other tables until the project is complete. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment There's no proof of work. There were two contribs after the AfD tag was removed on the page, and no discussion to show that a merge is in progress.  Kwsn (Ni!) 21:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Add-on Can you prove with a link that there is a discussion that has had comments added within the last seven days and not after the AfD was formed? Kwsn (Ni!) 21:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this time around, there is no information presented in this list that is not also given under List of United States Presidents by age, which as has been stated is sortable and thus serves perefctly well as a "list by longevity". This list is redundant and not needed.  Ark yan  &#149; (talk) 21:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep could be an encyclopediac list-- Sef rin gle Talk 22:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It's been AfD'ed three times. If it could be one, it would be one by now because if an AfD is keep, there's usually a problem to work out (usually, not always).  Kwsn (Ni!) 22:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't there some sortable list of American presidential biographical data that this could be merged into or redirected to as redundant? -- saberwyn 23:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It is, all are being merged, but the work requires modifications in the underlying software that sorts and displays the data. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As I said, List of United States Presidents by age Kwsn (Ni!) 23:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Very well. Merge/redirect to the abovementioned article. -- saberwyn 01:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of United States Presidents by age. It's duplication of information that already exists. -- Charlene 05:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete trivia per Overlistification proposal Bulldog123 11:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 16:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 16:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Charlene. Carlossuarez46 18:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) --Tentu 13:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge per Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ). AndyJones 16:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Gosh, there's an active and productive effort on the talk pages of these articles to address this. So why drag it through AfD?  Why not let the merge discussion run its course?  And if you feel that List of United States Presidents by age is superior (and I do, I created it!) why not participate in the merge discussion?  Just as a clarifier, I created LoUSPba as an attempt at compromise after the 2nd or 3rd AfD between people who felt a list only about longevity was not encyclopedic enough, and those that felt the information was encyclopedic.  Given time (and support at merge discussions) I could create sortable tables for many longevity lists, and we'd have a compromise that would be satisfactory to everyone.   The sortable tables are more complicated than you might expect, so it does take time, but if people identify other lists like this that could benefit from sortability, notify me on my talk and I'll add it to my to-do list. --JayHenry 05:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


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