Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Urdu words and their origin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  23:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

List of Urdu words and their origin

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A list intended to become a list of all Urdu words and their etymologies? In other words, an etymological dictionary of Urdu, all in a single page at Wikipedia? I have a pretty high tolerance for pages that others consider a violation of WP:NAD, but even I have to draw the line at this. The place to list all Urdu words and their etymologies is Wiktionary, giving each word its own page, and of course writing it in Urdu script, not merely romanization. There's already a dicdef tag, but the page isn't really in a state to be transwikied to Wiktionary anyway. —Angr (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions.  —Angr (talk) 09:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The article's creator has blanked this article and re-posted it at Origin of Urdu words; I am adding the title to the nomination. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 10:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also to List of Urdu words of Arabic origin (which I have deleted right away). - Mike Rosoft (talk) 10:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I undid the "cut and paste" page move and made it a proper page move. List of Urdu words and their origin is now a redirect to Origin of Urdu words, and the entire history is at the latter title. The change in title does not change anything in my rationale for deleting the article. —Angr (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi the article has now been posted under the appropriate wikipedia article Origin of urdu words which describes the origin of urdu words. The article list of urdu words of arabic origin has now been moved to wikitionary. similarly the article list of urdu words and their origin is no longer required as the list of words has been moved to wikitionary. The complete list of words is added to wikitionary thanks. UrduChat (talk) 11:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC) — UrduChat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

No need to move to wiktionary The article is perfectly fine and he has already moved the required article to wikitionary. Dumpweki (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Move to wiktionary for whatever passes as history attribution on wiktionary (which is very very weak) 65.94.47.63 (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

The deletion tag is for the wrong page
Hi the deletion tag is for the wrong article. I have changed the article to the correct title "origin of urdu words" and I have moved the list of words to wikitionary. The current article contains examples and is not a list of words. I had also left the message that the previous articles "list of urdu words and their origin" and "list of urdu words of arabic origin" can be deleted as they are no longer required. I dont understand why there is a tag on this page as it is different to the previous page and is not a list of words. I am assuming that the tag was transferred from the previous page to this page? UrduChat (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC) — UrduChat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * As you can see from my comment above, I have added the latter article to this discussion. (Contrary to your claim, it is all but identical to the original page, as can be seen from the article history.) - Mike Rosoft (talk) 13:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes but I was referring to the title and the change in the nature of the article. The content is similar but now its no longer as a list of words as those have been moved to wikitionary. Its now just a short wikipedia article on origin of urdu words with a few examples. I will be making it more encyclopedic as it progresses. UrduChat (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC) — UrduChat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * UrduChat, I would be willing to withdraw the AFD if I see the article becoming something similar to the article Persian vocabulary, i.e. an encyclopedic article about both the native origins and the foreign influences on the Urdu lexicon, in which paragraphs of prose (supported by cited references to reliable sources) predominate, rather than simple lists of words. Ideally, such an article (which could be renamed Urdu vocabulary) would also compare Urdu with Hindi, discussing the ways in which the two languages' vocabularies are similar as well as the ways in which they are different. —Angr (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In my opinion Persian vocabulary looks like an article that should be in wikitionary, the discussion of the nouns,tense etc. The heading of the article is fine as it has been changed and is not a list. I will be starting with urdu and arabic and then move onto turkish and finally persian. I can put some comparisons with other languages later in the article. The article is going to be short as the words have been moved to wikitionary only a few examples have been used in this article. UrduChat (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC) — UrduChat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment. It seems like this is in the process of being sorted out.  Has everything that ought to go to Wiktionary been sent there?  If so, the pages here would qualify for speedy deletion to close this discussion, but I do want to make sure that any available work has been preserved, somewhere.  I agree heartily that an article in prose about the Urdu vocabulary and its history and development would be a welcome addition.  - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi everything that was needed to be sent to wikitionary has been sent. The article now is only a short article on the origin of urdu words with a few examples and no deletion is necessary as the previous pages have already been deleted. The article will be made more encyclopedic as it progresses. I will be adding more information to the article later. UrduChat (talk) 15:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC) — UrduChat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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Comment Is this a joke? why is there a deletion tag on this page? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the current structure of the article. Username UrduChat has compromised enough, he has already deleted two articles even though he showed you examples of similar articles. He finally moved that to Wiktionary and now this article over here is in really good shape. so why is there still a deletion tag in the article? this constitutes to nothing more than the violation of Wikipedia rules. Having a hindu person discussing a muslim article is like having a nazi discussing a jewish article. Nothing is going to get resolved and he would want to simply cause troubles for the article.

@UrduChat welcome to Wikipedia. you should have begun to realize by now that things in Wikipedia are really difficult. I would like you to be aware of other users as well, there are lots of users on Wikipedia who claim to belong to a particular ethnicity or religion but are completely different. The best way to resolve this issue would be for muslims to form our own wiki, then it would be like YouTube where there is complete Independence. There were a couple of fake muslim wikis that were started by non muslims particularly hindu rss but all of them were debunked as fakes. The article is perfectly fine and there is no issue with it, the deletion tag and dictionary def tag should be removed from the page. Dumpweki (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Hi thanks for your discussions. i feel that perhaps its best for Muslims to start our own website as i dont feel that issues would get resolved. honestly i started a simple article i did not know that i would be spending so much time just in the discussion page and now spending that same amount of time in the deletion discussion page. i have deleted a lot of articles and i gave in a lot but i feel that maybe its better to go our own way as people would try to crop up issues again and again. UrduChat (talk) 07:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Please don't fight religious battles here. If the article is about language, a Hindu (most of whom speak languages closely related to Urdu) may well make important contributions. If it's about religion, perhaps indeed it belongs on a Muslim site rather than on one that tries to be religiously neutral. —Tamfang (talk) 05:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Decide on a name, and move to Wiktionary. The supplied 'source' material is a forum post containing a raw list of words. I do not expect any encyclopedic content to come out of this. If the creator intended to create an encyclopedia article then he should have started this article in userspace or WP:AFC, and added content there until it was ready for prime time. Article title is still problematic, because this is still a list of words, even though the title has now changed. Any serious treatment of Urdu should be working primarily with the Urdu and Arabic scripts, with romanized words as an aid for Anglophones. It is my understanding that Wiktionary can handle this. Elizium23 (talk) 08:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

No need to move to Wiktionary The page Persian vocabulary also contains table of list of words as  Examples  at the end of the article. The article is not a list of words, it only has an example of words after the description. There is nothing problematic with the title of the article and as he mentioned it is going to be a short article. He has compromised a lot, the tags should be removed. see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_loanwords_in_Persian Dumpweki (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: WP:NOT dictionary. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 15:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. has admitted to being the same person as  and has entered multiple !votes in this discussion. Elizium23 (talk) 21:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I already told you in the beginning that its my ip adress. The ip address must have changed, I did not make a secret about it. I cant control the ip address. I dont understand why you are taking an accusing tone and trying to frame me. Maintain good will in wikipedia. Edit: just great now the ip address changed again. Here you go made a username for sake of discussion, I will add it to my edits to avoid confusion and discuss tomorrow or day after if i get some free time. Dumpweki (talk) 23:33, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - per Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Properly cited information about Urdu etymology is welcome on Wiktionary. Anthem 09:21, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note Anthem of joy has been indef blocked as a sockpuppet of Claritas . --Tothwolf (talk) 03:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NAD. Cannot be moved to Wiktionary in this form.  Sandstein   19:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.