Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Vogue Hong Kong cover models


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

List of Vogue Hong Kong cover models

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Unsourced list, non-notable topic. Being a "Vogue Hong Kong cover model" is not a defining characteristic of fashion models; what's next, a list of pool players who have eaten at McDonalds? Judging by the see-also section, there may be several more lists of the same kind, but I haven't looked at them. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. On another note, I'm also seeing about the same level of non-notability (I hope that's the correct term) from the other Vogue country-specific articles, especially the ones made by the same user. Most of the country-specific Vogue magazine pages have nearly no sourcing, and the ones that do are simply links to the magazine website, rather than reliable sourcing. I support deleting not only this, but the other country-specific Vogue articles, though these might serve a better purpose being merged into the original Vogue magazine article (not with specifics like which models are in which magazine, but with a general overview of other country's magazines). EggRoll97 (talk) 20:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The nominator blanked the list's content on the claim that it was unreferenced. Apart from whether that is appropriate with the AFD pending (I do not see how WP:BLP would compel that here), this is factually incorrect given that the issue dates are clearly listed, so there is no question what the source is for each claim that a particular model was on the cover. That these are not independent sources from the subject is not relevant when we are merely verifying the content of those issues, i.e., who was on the cover. Anything beyond that is an issue for notability (about which I have no opinion) but not grounds for blanking. postdlf (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I will comment further that the nominator invokes a guideline, WP:DEFINING, that is only about categories and that does not have any application to lists. postdlf (talk) 21:35, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment This was accepted out of AfC by me due to similar lists found here which some have been in mainspace for 5 or 6 years. Since our standard is only "likely to pass an AfD", the fact that none of the other lists had been deleted in the past half decade was enough to pass that standard. That being said, I have zero opinion on this one way or another. Although, I would argue against the notion of this not being two related subjects. Vogue is one of the most popular fashion magazines, so being on the cover would be a big deal in the modeling world, and is also akin to other list articles such as List_of_Sports_Illustrated_Swimsuit_Issue_cover_models. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Hello! This was the first article I have ever created here in Wikipedia. As a fashion entusiat, I can speak that Vogue Magazine is the most important fashion magazine in the entire world, so, for sure this is a huge deal for models and celebrities. I am sorry if I didn't put all the necessary references. I thought that Vogue HK's website was enough for this. I don't know if this is interesting to you, but I also used the website Models.com for this research. Nowadays, with printed publications being increasingly devalued, I think it is fair and symbolic to maintain this archive, which, in a way, can be historical for the publishing market. Anyway, thanks for the support/help. I'm still learning about the Wikipedia's rules. (observation: sorry for my bad english, I am not 100% fluent yet, so I hope you understand my points). --Gbrandao95 (talk) 02:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP There are 21 articles listing Vogue cover models by nation. I see plenty of blue links in this article, so a valid list article.  This is a notable accomplishment for models.   D r e a m Focus  03:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:LISTN as above (many bluelinks) thru WP:LISTPURP: information, and navigation. the same applies to other vogue cover lists. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - if this article is deleted there are a host of others that would have to go with it.Grmike (talk) 11:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Hong Kong Vogue is a well-known magazine and list articles such as this are typically accepted. -Sebanderson (talk) 03:20, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The nomination is doubly mistaken – being on the cover of Vogue is actually defining. Consider the first entry, Fei Fei Sun; coverage such as this will naturally list her cover appearances as a significant achievement. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:32, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article certainly needs work. However, as stated above, appearing on the cover of Vogue is indeed a defining career moment for people. The article seems as if it ought to be kept. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - needs improvement though Lorelai1335 (talk) 15:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)Lorelai1335


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