Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of WWE '12 characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete ~ Alison C. (aka Crazytales) 18:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

List of WWE '12 characters

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Rosters are never published, as per WP: GameCruft. This is a completely unnecessary page. BarryTheUnicorn (talk) 14:41, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The relevant section in WP:GAMECRUFT for this article would appear to be 10. Cast lists: Generally speaking, a list of the actors providing voices for video game characters is not appropriate. Exceptions to the rule would be games where the voice cast is particularly notable, such as actors reprising their roles in a video game translation of a movie, as in the case of X-Men Origins: Wolverine. In this case the character cast follows the general standard for listing a movie cast, with minor adaptations for the game's article. However, if characters are listed in a table, cast should not be listed separately. If actors/actresses must be added to the article, typically they should be done in the article prose, and generally in the development section. (emphasis mine). I'm not sure about common outcomes on articles like this, but this doesn't appear to be a slam dunk cruft violation.  The characters are voicing themselves, and are independently notable, and while not reprising their roles from a movie, they are reprising their roles from a notable entertainment medium, which movies are a subset of.  In this instance, the article seems to be consistent with the spirit of the guideline, even if not with the exact wording. The article is providing more information than just a list of characters, it includes whether or not the characters are in the main game, DLC, the 'brand' they are under, and other information.  It might need some cleanup and addition (and more sources), but there isn't a redlink or anything 'fluffy' in there. I'm inclined to keep.  Dennis Brown (talk) 14:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Violates WP:GAMECRUFT and WP:NOTAMANUAL (It looks like something that could/would be ripped out of a game manual or gamefaqs document. Not appropriate for a wikipedia page. Sergecross73   msg me   02:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete -- SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  06:00, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – I wouldn't even include this in the WWE '12 article. –MuZemike 23:34, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep- If this were to be deleted, then all video game character articles should be deleted (like the list of Street Fighter characters, etc.) Feed  back  ☎ 16:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is a very big difference between this article in question, and something like List of Street Fighter characters. At the street fighter one, there are sourced paragraphs after the characters. This WWE article is just a huge list, and most info that is given is unsourced numerical ratings from the game, and whether they need to be unlocked. Info like that looks like it's ripped right out of a manual or gameguide. I don't think that is a valid comparison... Sergecross73   msg me   17:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your points, but you are actually giving more of a reason to keep. The differences that you point out are a matter of editing, not a matter of criteria.  If there is a way to add more material to an article and have it pass criteria, then it passes criteria and is simply incomplete (WP:V demonstrates this, as well as others, articles don't have to be verifieD, just verifiABLE.)  A stub, if you will.  This is never considered by closing admins to be a valid argument against keeping an article.  Dennis Brown (talk) 18:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of what's considered in AFD's, and I know that sourced paragraphs vs. unsourced, unexplained bare lists do indeed make a difference. But I think what you're missing is that, regardless of how much of this verified information would be hypothetically added to the article, it's still just going to be "verified WP:GAMECRUFT". Any of this hypothetical information that would be gathered would either just be more cruft-like stuff out of the game manual, or general information on wrestlers that would probably be more suited for general pro-wresting articles, not articles about the video games of pro-wrestling. Sergecross73   msg me   02:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the article is in poor condition, but that means it should be expanded, not deleted. Too many deletionists on here who don't want to give an article the time of day. If the article is capable of becoming a good well-sourced article then we should allow it the time and not delete it when its in its poorest state. Feed back  ☎ 17:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, for reasons already stated. See WP:GAMECRUFT. Benny Leo (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep!, If other games can have a page for characters, why can't WWE 12? Huh, or are we being hypocritical? Ice Hockey  Hero  22:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and assume good faith, please. Sergecross73   msg me   01:54, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment, I am just a rollbacker on the English Wikipedia, but I believe that this should be deleted. The previous games never had an article for the characters. Also, the only appropriate place for such an article, is a website of some sort other than Wikipedia. -- JC Talk to me My contributions 02:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Another Comment, As shown in WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2011 and previous articles, it mentions only the champions. A possible merge could be considered for only the champions listed in the article, List of WWE '12 characters. -- JC Talk to me My contributions 02:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a friendly note: Your status on Wikipedia is irrelevant and probably shouldn't be mentioned. Admins, Bureaucrats, and anonymous IP's all have the same voice in a discussion, with the only weight being given to the quality of their points, not how long they have been here or what title they have been given.  Dennis Brown (talk) 18:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge somewhere. If kept needs an opener explaining what it is that these people / characters are participating in. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:36, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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