Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. NW ( Talk ) 22:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005)
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More than 3 months after first prod and AfD there are still no reliable, published, third party sources. wp:v: "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-09-06t14:06z 14:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  23:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Aside from Wikipedia there is only one source at all; searching by "Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!" and a few of the names of the guests always finds this unreliable source. I also note that this article appears to violate WP:NOTDIR point 4, and curiously await argumentation that could somehow overcome this policy. Abductive  (reasoning) 19:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. as the argument went last time: Every episodes page for every TV show is in a similar state to this one. No one is calling for their deletion. The community has accepted articles like this. The only difference is that this is for a radio show. At the time of writing, the Wait Wait website had records of every show they ever did. Since then it has been taken down, but the info came from there. If you think this article should be deleted, may I point you to these fully accepted articles: List of Have I Got News for You episodes, List of QI episodes, List of True Blood episodes, List of The Mighty Boosh episodes, List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes, List of Friends episodes, these are just a few examples. I am not trying to argue "it's ok because they did it too". I'm trying to argue that all of these examples show a common acceptance for articles of this type and I see no reason why this one should be deleted while all of the others are allowed to stay. - The Talking Sock talk contribs 02:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * NPR's own website wouldn't help establish notability anyway. How about the sourcing for individual appearances? Looks pretty thin to me. Abductive  (reasoning) 02:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not "Every episodes page for every TV show is in a similar state to this one", see e.g. List of Dexter episodes which has 75 inline references. There are calls to delete episode lists without relibale, published, third party sources, e.g. Articles for deletion/List of Bear Behaving Badly Episodes. -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-09-09t13:31z
 * List of Have I Got News for You episodes has 2 third party sources - tho they're not footnoted and I've put on Template:Nofootnotes.
 * List of QI episodes has several specific footnoted episode refs to the British Comedy Guide - I've put on Template:Morefootnotes.
 * List of True Blood episodes has 20 third party episode refs including Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, Broadcasting & Cable, Entertainment Weekly, TV by the Numbers, and  The Live Feed.
 * List of The Mighty Boosh episodes had no references at all, and I've nominated it for deletion.
 * List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes has 2 third party sources - I've put on Template:Morefootnotes.
 * List of Friends episodes has 2 third party sources - I've put on Template:Morefootnotes. -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-09-09t12:38z
 * Keep. It is not true that "there are still no reliable, published, third party sources." There is one 3rd-party reference, in the Barack Obama entry. That is equal to the number in List of Friends episodes, one of whose references is to the DVD&mdash;not a 3rd-party source. As discussed previously, this page came about as a fork, to avoid cluttering up the main page with lists of guests. That was a rational raison d'etre then, and it still is.--HughGRex (talk) 11:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That source is not about the list. At best it could support a sentence in the main article. Abductive  (reasoning) 15:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That source is not about the list. At best it could support a sentence in the main article. Abductive  (reasoning) 15:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete No reliable sources back up this article, which is a clear violation of WP:NOT. Abductive  (reasoning) 15:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep the information in this article is verifiable by listening to the programs. The program is obviously notable. Other programs have similar lists. The solution to verifiable, notable articles with no references is editing, not deleting. -Atmoz (talk) 03:39, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, you piped to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which says the opposite of what you meant, and you seem to misunderstand what reliable sources are. Reliable sources exist to say something is notable. The program is notable, but everything that happened on it is not. Given that we already have an article on the program, this debate centers on the list of all the guests. Abductive  (reasoning) 04:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what I piped to, see the second bullet in the nutshell box. I also know that V is a policy and that RS and N are guidelines meant to clarify that policy. This list&mdash;as a sub-topic of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!&mdash; contains useful, encyclopedic content. It provides the user with a navigational tool that cannot be achieved in the main article or with categories. The fact that there are currently no sources does not mean it should be deleted. -Atmoz (talk) 04:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.