Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Welsh Christians


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

List of Welsh Christians

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The start of a totally unmanageable, near-endless list of people connected to each other only tenuously. Given the proportion of people ion Wales who profess Christianity as their religion, we could be looking at upward of three quarters of a million names. Currently, it has twelve. Seems as useful as a list of Italians born on a Tuesday. Grutness...wha?  02:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete More of the list inanity that plagues the project. Nwlaw63 (talk) 02:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. A category may be useful, a list is not useful. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 03:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have not been able to think of any useful purpose which this list could serve. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above comments. Being a Welsh Christian is not notable by itself, seeing as how many Christians there are in Wales. J I P  &#124; Talk 06:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. Category under the usual criteria might be useful. If anything Mary Jones is clearly missing. Agathoclea (talk) 10:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yet another totally unecessary list based on an intersection between two subjective and hard-to-verify attributes.-- K orr u ski Talk 12:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Crazy that it has been hanging on since 2005. Wickedjacob (talk) 12:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete What is next? A list of Israeli Jews? This one is even more difficult because it is very hard to define/determine if someone is "really" a Christian. Steve Dufour (talk) 14:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: This started as Welsh Christian figures, with an introduction specific to some bloke called John B.E. Thomas alone, but then that was moved to a separate article and the article was renamed so that it doesn't claim to list "Christian figures", only "Christians". J I P  &#124; Talk 19:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Now a list of notable John Thomases would be something totally different (&Welsh) :-) Agathoclea (talk) 20:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't understand what you were talking about, so I checked the John Thomas page, and found out what the point was. Apparently British people have very strange idioms. As a non-British person myself, I'd rather not get into intra-British arguments about this. J I P  &#124; Talk 20:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry did not mean the idiom (of which there is at least another not mentioned in that disambig article) but the shear number of possible entries. If I counted right on the page you found it was 44. Agathoclea (talk) 10:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete -- One merit of a list article is that it allows us to have redlinks for articles that are needed. However, this list is much too indiscriminate to be worth having.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - one or more focused lists, like, for instance, a list of Welshmen/women who were notably leaders of Christian groups, saints or otherwise included in liturgical calendars, etc., might be useful, but this one is at least on the verge of unmanagable. John Carter (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - What about List of Welsh Americans, which was resoundly kept at AfD? List of Welsh Christians would seem more narrow than List of Welsh people. OTOH, Anglo-Welsh, Greco-Welsh, and Welsh-Jamaican were deleted. Then there's List of Welsh inventors, List of Welsh writers, Welsh Chilean (mostly a list)-- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:32, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * All of those are far more focussed lists, and several you mention are of a long-established double-ethnicity type. It would be easy to find a list of notable inventors or writers born in Wales, but the profession of a faith is often not a defining characteristic of a person's notability to the same extent. In particular, in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion, it would be more of a "default" situation. We don't usually list such defaults (consider the half-joking "Israeli Jews" list mentioned above). A small minority of Americans and Chileans are of Welsh descent; a small minority of Welsh people are inventors or writers. But a very large number of Welsh people are Christian - certainly far too many for any such list to be viable or useful. Grutness...wha?  22:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and add redirect to List_of_Welsh_people. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.