Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Welsh people on Wikidata


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was moot. List has been moved to project space. Kudos to the editors who demonstrated nonbinary thinking and solutions. postdlf (talk) 19:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

List of Welsh people on Wikidata

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The characteristic of being a Welsh person listed in Wikidata is not a notable topic. (See WP:LISTN.) This is in addition to my general doubt about using Wikipedia as a Wikidata mirror, instead of letting Wikidata be Wikidata and letting people go there if they want information from there. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Not one of your 'reasons' are in any way criteria for deletion! If I had created an article on one of the contentious people on Wikipedia, then yes, that new article on that contentious person could be listed for deletion. But having a list which (may) contain one or two contentious listings is not a criteria. Are you now suggesting that the community takes down every article on WP which contains the name of a non-notable person? Please take your arguments to Wikidata, not here! Your other 'general doubt' is not a WP criteria. Please remove this tag, as it does not contain any valid criteria, in any way. Lastly, do have good faith in new and valuable technologies, which you may not understand. In five years time nearly all info on WP will be coming from Wikidata, and that's a good thing. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Wait, surely you can understand that the issue here is not about the idea of a list of Welsh people, but that there needs to be a list of Welsh people on wikidata. There may or may not be good reasons to have a list of Welsh people, there may or may not be a reason to have that list on wikidata, but what possible reason would we want a list on wikipedia of Welsh people featured on wikidata? I cannot get my head around any possible rationale for keeping this page. JMWt (talk) 18:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't say anything about non-notable people on the list. Per WP:LISTN, lists themselves have to be notable. My "other doubt" is a doubt that I brought here precisely to have a discussion about it, though obviously I have my own opinion about it. Finally, drop your condescending tone. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * To elaborate on the notability matter, per WP:LISTN, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I am skeptical that there is a reliable source on the planet that has substantial coverage devoted to the set of Welsh people who happen at a given moment to be included on Wikidata. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:34, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: As I understand wikidata, one could create wikipedia pages with all kinds of sorted data - but just because we can doesn't meant that we should. Presumably we could create a list of people called Tom, people aged 52 or people with exactly 11 letters in their name. What is intrinsically notable about this nationality data that it is worth making into a wikipedia list? JMWt (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Strong delete: this sort of "meta" articles does not belong on an encyclopedia. Besides, Wikidata is precisely the kind of thing made to let us create intersections of data without needing to make ad-hoc lists like this. LjL (talk) 18:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. LjL (talk) 18:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete There's no notability of having info on Wikidata, and therefore making a list about enteries from WD in itself is not notable. We already have List of Welsh people, which by definition will be linked to Wikidata.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

This is clearly a meta list which was intended for creation at WikiProject Wales/List of Welsh people on wikidata. The list has some use, but for editors rather than the general public, I'm sure User:Charles Matthews would agree with that too. List of Welsh people would benefit the general public, most people of course wouldn't want to know what a publicly generated site like wikidata lists. I do hope there's a way to act that no time will have been wasted here though. I think the table format is much more useful than a general list and could be used in the List of Welsh people article. Let's please move this rather than delete it and waste time deleting something useful for Welsh editors.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Good thinking, Dr B. Support moving it to that namespace.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Move to the Wikipedia: namespace as suggested, without further ado. We can then, if necessary, discuss the utility of the list to the project. (What Dr. Blofeld said, in other words.) Charles Matthews (talk) 19:14, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Why not? Good thinking Dr. Blofeld! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 19:27, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


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