Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? episodes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Stifle (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? episodes

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Game shows do not require episode lists. They do not have any plot details, so they just act as a directory for various trivial details. TTN (talk) 12:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The fact that this show is no longer on the air (and has yet to be released on DVD), makes it a relic of television history.  This program was, like JEOPARDY!, an education-based gameshow.  And each episode did have a tiny plot attached to it to keep things moving along.  Until the complete series makes it to DVD (or is rerun in syndication), this article serves as a tremendous source of information about the outcome of the show, every step of the way.
 * Delete. Somewhat agree with TTN's reasoning. With serial works, a list of episode summaries aids with the understanding of the programme. As the format of a gameshow stays roughly the same it can be summarised with a few paragraphs in the main article. This list is well written and complete, it'd be a shame to lose it. Can it be transwikied somewhere? Bill (talk 13:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I believe the nominator's premise -- that this was a "game show" -- is based on a misconception. I believe this was an educational show, not a "game show".  I believe the episode did have plots.  Geo Swan (talk) 13:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The episodes have individual cookie cutter segments that utilize (extremely terrible) actors. It was just a gimmick to make it more interesting or something. Listing them will do nothing to help someone understand the show. TTN (talk) 14:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep if the show is notable, I see no reason why a list of episodes shouldn't be. There's more detail in this list than merely titles, it does contribute somethign to an overall history of what appears to be a popular show of some interest. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mind you that notability is not inherited but must be shown via reliable sources independent of the subject. MuZemike  ( talk ) 16:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Despite the popularity of this fallacy, WP:NOTINHERITED isn't itself a proof that all items related to a notable article are thus non-notable. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete or Transwiki if a good wikihome can be found — lack of verifiable sources as well as Wikipedia is not a directory. MuZemike  ( talk ) 16:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete TTN's reasoning is basically sound here. WitWiCS (woot!) did use segues that weren't in game show format but no "plot" existed from day to day which any reliable source could report on.  What sources were used in compiling this list?  How do we know it is accurate?  How can other readers verify the elements on this list? Protonk (talk) 16:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although technically a game show, it was a game show with distinctive plotlines. That makes it a special case, and makes a List of Episodes article perfectly viable. 23skidoo (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep A list of episodes is exactly what we want in general. It has plots, I don't see a problem. Hobit (talk) 17:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I think this is a fair topic for an article. The show was basically a game show, but it worked within the logic of a fictional universe, with daily plotlines and a large cast of recurring fictional characters. However, I'm a bit curious who compiled the information at TV.com. Zagalejo^^^ 18:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Not a normal game show. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 23:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete but after transwiking the table, primarily this being based on indiscriminate info. I do appreciate the other comments that this show had something that resembled a plot, but when you consider that it was basically a "Clue" like plot (Evil person X stole Y and went to Z), with X, Y, and Z being essentially random with no recurring theme throughout the show, it's hard to say that's really a plot.  The other details on the table (the ultimate winner, the map used for the final round, and if it was won or not) feels very excessive for what we'd normally consider part of a television show's coverage, and leaves questions that (at least) I'd ask, like who were the other players, how much did they win by, and so forth - again, things that would not be included but feel necessary to have to include to complete this table, and thus making it difficult to access.  There's something in this list that should be saved, and that's why I think transwiki is the better option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masem (talk • contribs)
 * Neutral leaning to delete While I can see the usefulness of (parts of) this list, my main concern is the lack of sourcing. Unlike many TV series, there are no DVDs for WitWiCS to quickly check if the entries in this list are accurate, and in the absense of reliable third-party sources, I am reluctant to keep lists around that are sourced from volatile primary sources. – sgeureka t•c 15:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * keep per 23Skidoo. JoshuaZ (talk) 17:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but find and add a source. This game show did in fact have a "plot" of sorts in each episode.  However, if reliable sources can't be found to verify the info in the list, then delete or merge into Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? (game show). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Needs sources, but as per 23skidoo, this game show is a special case, so a list of episodes is fine. -- how do you turn this on  18:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I agree, it needs sources if it is to be kept. - -The Spooky One (talk to me) 19:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see any violations of Notability given many TV Episode lists, deprived of other independent sources, must rely solely on the particular episode or primary sources to reference themselves. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 10:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


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