Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? episodes (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Acather96 (talk) 18:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

List of Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? episodes
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Appears to be a (albeit comprehensive) directory filled with excessive detail about the episodes (WP:CRUFT), which Wikipedia is not. There don't appear to be non-primary reliable sources for any of the information. RJaguar3 &#124; u  &#124;  t  17:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Since there are no independent reliable sources I believe to exist for the individual episodes of the show, this list fails WP:EPISODE.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  19:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep list of episodes of TV show which aired on a national network. Just because the article lists no sources doesn't mean that there aren't any--more like BEFORE would dig them up if the nominator had bothered. Jclemens (talk) 18:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per my comment at the previous AFD, which I still stand by. If this was a regular TV show, then I would see something here which would be substantive, mainly plot/episode information. Being a game show (yes, I know, "educational" but still a game show nonetheless), the format is the same each and every episode. Otherwise, this is basically WP:DIRECTORY territory. –MuZemike 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jclemens; worthwhile content about a notable show.--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep there's years of precedent that episode lists are encyclopedic. That said, some of this stuff should definitely be trimmed (like the list of sleuths and the prize trip location) but the article itself is sound. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  19:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Worthreading content for a notable animated televesion show. Eduemoni↑talk↓  20:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with your keep, but let's not get confused here: this is the game show we're talking about, not the animated version. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per JClemens. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep but you may want to remove the sleuth and prize trip location. We got those from tv.com 98.219.238.120 (talk) 23:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOT mentions that we are not a directory, we're not TV Guide either.  This level of exhaustive coverage belongs on a fan wikia site not in an encyclopedia.  HominidMachinae (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Super Super Strong Keep13:48, 17 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ACMEWikiNet (talk • contribs)
 * Keep but please read why I HATE these so-called articles. HATE HATE HATE them.  But their place on wikipedia is still questionable, and to randomly delete this one would be arbitrary and without a strong basis in policy.  Just type in "list of episodes" in the search box.  They have made a foothold and a discussion needs to be had about television lists in general.  Until then, there is no evidence of clear consensus to exclude them.  But I beg and plead TPTB to initiate some serious conversations about the place of such lists, conversations that will lead to some form of generally accepted statement. Wickedjacob (talk) 06:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.