Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wold Newton Universe characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 21:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

List of Wold Newton Universe characters
Firstly, the article information is unverifiable. It cites a few unreliable sources (most unofficial, speculative fan sites) to somehow claim that Napoléon Bonaparte, Pippi Longstocking, James Bond, Scooby Doo, Jack the Ripper, Veronica Mars, and thousands of other characters who have appeared in disparate fiction, as well as a lot of real historical figures, are all somehow related. To that end, it confuses the fiction of Phillip Jose Farmer, the fiction of countless other authors, and the unsourced speculations of many Farmer fans, and as a result is useless as a source of factual information (second reason to delete). I have checked some of the websites used as "sources" and found that they base their character associations on speculations that have no basis in any of the original published fiction these characters appear in. For example, is stating that Sam Malone is descended from an 18th century meteorite survivor something that is supported by anything in an episode of Cheers? I've seen every episode of The Sopranos more than once and there's no indication that Tony Soprano is a cousin to the Corleone family, which is nonsense because the Godfather films are fictional within The Sopranos. Some of the statements made on the page are patently ridiculous (Frank Black from Millennium is the nephew of Edith Keeler from Star Trek?). I see some books are mentioned as sources, but are they anything more than speculation either? Thirdly, though being fancruft isn't an official deletion guideline, this article is pretty much 300 kb of fancruft.

I know that users Bookworm857158367 and Piecraft have put a lot of work into this and might even vote to keep it. I suggest that another non-Wikipedia website might be best to host it, as it fails to meet both WP:V and WP:NOT. Andrew Levine 16:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC). Andrew Levine 16:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Regretfully delete - as much as I am an enthusiast of the Wold Newton universe, this has no real place on Wikipedia for the simple reason that the entire foundation of Wold Newton is speculative geneaology, emphasis on the speculative. At best, the list should be limited to what Farmer has published in Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life and Tarzan Alive, although that's also just Farmer's own speculation, so I hesitate at even that. Keywords are original research, non-notability (especially the fan-produced stuff) and verifiability. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 17:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Additional comment: Has anyone considered doing a Wold Newton wiki on Wikicities? That may be the best place and/or depository for profiles of this kind. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 17:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A wiki would be an excellent venue for this sort of information. It could import Wikipedia's GFDL-licensed pages on all of these characters, and maybe add to each one the speculation that links them to the WNU. I would even be willing to host this page in my userspace for a short time after it is deleted so it could be copied to the appropriate Wikicity. Andrew Levine 17:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Though I guess there's a certain innate ballsiness of trying to connect Hercules, Tony Soprano, Star Trek, The Little Mermaid, and Lord Peter Wimsey into one big story, this is neither encyclopedic nor verifiable. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete All apologies to fans, but this is seriously dumb. Danny Lilithborne 18:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * DeleteYes, it should be deleted. Only the geneology from Farmer's two books should be included here.

Go ahead and delete it if the majority opinion is that it's not suited to an encyclopedia. I can certainly move it to my own web site at Wetpaint if that's considered appropriate. I don't think it's any more "dumb" than any other type of pastiche fiction or more frivolous than many of the other articles already on Wikipedia, but it's not worth fighting over. My web page is at woldnewton.wetpaint.com --Bookworm857158367 23:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm not sure that you could do that, since your website seems to be licensed under Creative Commons.  I could be wrong here, but I think that you need to have GFDL to be able to have content from Wikipedia.  I agree with several editors above in that I think that creating a Wold Newton wiki on Wikicities would probably be the best solution, in which case you could just transwiki this article to it.  ergot 15:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Bookworm can legally re-use the information. All he has to do, if he wants to copy Wikipedia's content onto his site, is follow the instructions laid out in Copyrights. But he has to make it clear that the CC-BY-NC license does not apply to any sections on his site that re-use Wikipedia's content, GFDL applies to them instead. This is similar to the practice of other lawful Wikipedia mirrors. For example, Answers.com claims "All rights reserved" on their content, but specifically points out in their terms of use that the Wikipedia content they use is GFDL, and this notice also occurs on every page on their site which includes Wikipedia content. Andrew Levine 17:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks! In that case, I vote userfy until Bookworm gets around to doing that or moving it to a fan wiki.  ergot 18:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - I really think there's a place for this somewhere, but its really not encyclopedic, so Wikipedia isn't a good home for it. A fan wiki would be great for this type of content! Closing admin, please make sure that major contributors to the article have the opertunity to download a copy of the article's content and history for use elsewhere. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 18:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.