Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of World Heritage Sites by religion


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. While this article seems in need of improvement, and might be eligible to be merged/converted into a template,there is general consensus that it satisifies our guidelines for being a standalone list. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

List of World Heritage Sites by religion

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This article is unsourced and the article specifically says "Please note that UNESCO does not endorse this classification by religion..." indicating that we'll never have official sources for classifying sites by religion making this no better than a collection of opinions. Since some of the sites have been used by multiple faiths at various times, may still be used by various faiths today, may include secular buildings and may not be used by any faith at the present, inclusion is arbitrary. Tobyc75 (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Well, in theory. Only the "Protestant" sites present a problem - mostly built as Catholic, & Anglicans (at least on WP) resile from the P word. Merge with the Catholics as "Western Christian churches" & I think this are ok.  It is useful to have Buddhist sites collected etc.  Note this was started after a Cfd discussion.   Johnbod (talk) 02:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete part of nom is incorrect as wp:lstn says that list subject only has to be notable, and therefore items on list don't need to be referenced to show notability. However as pointed out by Northamerica, it is impossible to list by religion as many sites have been claimed. We already have a list of Unesco World heritage sites so why this?Davidstewartharvey (talk) 09:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to make the scope clearer. This is largely a list of World Heritage Sites which are places of worship, grouped by religion (or at least current religion in a few cases). There are a few more tenuous ones (e.g. a town which has some churches in it), but there's only a few of those and it's not a big deal to get rid of them. Grouping WHS by type seems like a valid, encyclopedic categorisation to me and evidently a lot of them are places of worship. I don't see why UNESCO publishing a list of this type is a prerequisite for us doing so.  Hut 8.5  12:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * But not all the sites on this list are currently places of worship. For example, one of the first on the Catholic list: Lorsch Abbey was destroyed during the 30 Years War while briefly Protestant. The LEDE says "...most recent affiliation" so was Lorsch Abbey Catholic or Protestant or is it neither since it was destroyed almost four centuries ago? A number of these sites are a mixture of religious and secular sites. Why is Sassi di Matera included on the list when other towns which also include churches are not? Is it because the name of the site includes the word church? How many churches need to belong to a combined site to make it belong to a list. What if a combined site includes churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, etc? Then which religion does it belong to? If there is no verifiable criteria to tell if something belongs in the list, then it's just up to my and your opinions as to what belongs on the list and that is opposed to the idea of something being Verifiable.Tobyc75 (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are some entries on the list which aren't places of worship, such as towns. Those can be removed, and I don't think it's a reason for deleting the list. If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. The vast majority of entries in the list are unambiguously places of worship, so I don't think this should be a problem.  Hut 8.5  16:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep If the sources identify the religion and confirm the site is part of world heritage sites then the inclusion of entries is justified. NavjotSR (talk) 05:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comments: I do not think a site has to be limited to "place of worship" as that is not the limited scope of the title. Mount Wutai (in China) is considered a sacred Buddhist site. The mountain has 53 monasteries. I am not against such a list as an aid to navigation but wonder if being included in a template would be a better aid, especially if the country was included so it could be clicked offering a reorganization by country? --  Otr500 (talk) 13:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.