Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of World War II aces from Philippines


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 19:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

List of World War II aces from Philippines

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PROD removed with the reasoning, "better than not telling people anything about World War II aces from Philippines". Currently a list of one, no evidence that more Filipino World War II aces will emerge any time in the near future. Mosmof (talk) 14:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete The one person on listed currently is included in other lists to do with Filipino military personnel and WW2 history. No need for a further list BritishWatcher (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the ace, Jesus A. Villamor: there are enough such lists for other countries that this might not be at all an unreasonable search target. Nyttend (talk) 15:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This looks like a clear attempt to airbrush a notable Philippine pilot out of history when people of other nationalities can be found from the top-level list. What movitates people to try to conceal small countries' achievements like this? Juzhong (talk) 17:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have an actual policy-based reason for keeping this list or are you just going to ignore WP:AGF and accuse me of trying to destroy Filipino heritage through housekeeping procedures on Wikipedia? --Mosmof (talk) 18:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well which is more important, the ability to access Filipino heritage or wikipedia housekeeping procedures? Juzhong (talk) 18:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You missed my point completely. You're presenting a false dilemma - you can perform Wikipedia housekeeping AND preserve the "ability to access Filipino heritage", whatever that means. My point was your unwillingness to WP:AGF and your specious reasoning for keeping an (IMHO) unhelpful list. Mosmof (talk) 23:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You still don't understand the problem with deleting the list. Let me try to talk you through it. Try to imagine: Someone from the Philippines is interested in World War 2 aces. They come to Wikipedia. They find the list of WW2 aces. Unfortunately you deleted the Philippines part, so they go away with the impression that there are no WW2 Philippine aces. This is a *BAD THING*, because actually there *IS* a WW2 Philippine ace, and they would probably have wanted to read all about him. That's what encyclopedias are for. I can't really make this much simpler. Juzhong (talk) 00:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Jesus A. Villamor appears on several other lists including Filipino military personnel and Philippines WW2 history, its not like people are attempting to have the artice on Villamor removed, simply a list which at present only has 1 person on it. If you can find many others to go on that list then ill change my vote to keep, but one person doesnt justify a list. BritishWatcher (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment This seems to have been created in order to be a link from this . Instead of listing the air aces from each nation (and in the case of excessive length, putting in a link), the creators of that list have something that ostensibly looks like this "Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria...".  Clearly, Jesus A. Villamor should be mentioned in articles about air aces, but the List of World War II aces by country could certainly be reorganized to be more informative of an article.  I'm going to be bold and add Villamor's name to that list, where it will be regardless of what happens to this article. Mandsford (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - a single entry is not a list. But I agree with the above comment, it should be "merged" (if we can call it that) to List of World War II aces by country which requires major cleanup.--Boffob (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with this solution. It seems a global list of WWII aces seems more practical than a separate one for each country. Mosmof (talk) 23:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I've done some cleanup work on List of World War II aces by country, and this could now be redirected back to that article. Mandsford (talk) 21:07, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good work. Juzhong (talk) 19:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


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