Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 02:53, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards

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This list relies largely upon what I consider to be an unreliable source and is hopelessly crufty. Whose Your Guy (talk) 03:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep "Cruft" is a meaningless term that has been thrown around so much that it has no meaning. WP:LISTCRUFT is an essay with no actual weight on Wikipedia. The topic is obviously notable and the comment about the source doesn't justify deletion. It justifies some work on the page. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions.  --  Jujutacular  talk 05:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable cruft. -- Unquestionable Truth -- 08:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSCRUFT is a worthless vote. Vodello (talk) 15:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is no better source for information on professional wrestling than the WON. The Cleanup Kid (talk) 21:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The information in this case is a list of awards created and then voted on by WON. Hazardous Matt (talk) 22:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete: There is currently no Wikipedia article for Wrestling Observer Newsletter(just a redirect), which is most likely due to the fact that the publication was not found worthy of an article. Therefor it makes no sense to have an article detailing awards given out by said publication. --Deathawk (talk) 00:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment There is an article for Dave Meltzer, which discusses the Wrestling Observer Newsletter in decent detail. There is also an article for Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame, which is not just notable, but actually a Featured List. GaryColemanFan (talk) 01:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * We can all make up reasons for why there is no article on the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, but the simple facts are that the article was created in 2005 as a redirect to Dave Meltzer, and there is no deletion log for the newsletter article. "It doesn't have an article so it's not notable" doesn't hold any water since we don't have a deadline on Wikipedia to have articles about every single notable subject to ever exist. Vodello (talk) 15:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Typical deletionist weak tripe for a rationale to delete a large article. WP:ITSCRUFT is not a deletion rationale. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter is a notable newsletter that has been around for decades. Days to create an article, five seconds for you to destroy and get barnstars for the "good work". Vodello (talk) 15:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep a Wrestling Encyclopedia would include this information, the list has a scope for inclusion and most (possibly all) of its content is notable. On the minus side, it needs moving to List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter award winners which is what it actually is. Bigger digger (talk) 02:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.