Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of YTMND fads


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus, but do not keep it in the current form. I compiled a summary at the bottom. Many want to have the article deleted, some want to merge part of it in YTMND (but some are opposed to this out of fear that the list will grow too large again), almost all want to shorten it. I suggest that the article is cut drastically; you can point to this discussion as justification. Perhaps merge it, that's a normal editing choice. – Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

List of YTMND fads
Please note that many of the keep votes are first edits by ISP addresses. &mdash; Gaff ταλκ 23:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Or meatpuppets -Mysekurity (talk &bull; contribs)

Delete. Unmaintainable and unencyclopedic list of popular fads copied from a website that lists internet fads. Why are we replicating YTMND content here? Some of the items on the list also contain or contained attack-bio content. I don't want to be insenstive to the internet culture, but this stuff does not impress me as the kind of thing that will be of interest 5 years from now, much less 100 years from now. &mdash;Gaff talk  23:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Where does this list end? Really, it is like a best of YTMND that may as well be on a blogger site for all the notability that it contains.  This would actually not be a bad place and anyone who wants can put up their favourite YTMND "fad."  A subjective definition that carries with it no significance. &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 03:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

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The internets' legacy consists of every aspect and effectivness of events on culture, YTMND is a reflection of that. You lose! Good day sir. RKZ KEEP
 * Sorry RKZ, but I fail to understand your argument. &mdash; Gaff ταλκ 07:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What he meant to say was You LOSE! Good DAY, sir! and that you are an idiot, thanks for playing. (unsigned personal attack by User: 131.247.164.205)
 * Thanks for clarifying. &mdash; Gaff ταλκ 00:25, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete/Merge with YTMND. I love YTMND and the site, but I've been having mixed feelings about this being an article. It is way to big to maintain, and really doesn't deserve this much stuff--very few of those things have actually reached true fad level. I liked it better when there was a small list on the main YTMND article page, rather than this sprawling bohemouth of disorganized fads. It is true that these sites have reached a certain level of notablity (see ytmndtakesovergoogle.ytmnd.com/), but few of those mentioned are actual fads. I like the text at the top of this page, and feel it should be incorperated into the main article, as with a few of the actual big fads, and a small mention about things such as the Tiger merging fads. If YTMND wants its own wiki, it can set one up. - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]01:55, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * WikiBestofYTMND sounds great to me. I just don't see how this stuff is encyclopedic.  But then again, I am not super savvy on internet culture.  I read somewhere about wikipedia wanting to focus on what will be important 100 yrs from now.  This stuff seems like the filler that the internet is already overflowing with.  I'm not saying that some of it isn't funny, but it seems to me that wikipedia has an opportunity to be a powerful voice in the internet community and to raise things to a higher standard.  Maybe this could be in BJAODN. However, the sheer size of the thing and that fact many of these are funny jokes of the moment that some kid in Peoria who knows something about Flash programming put together to impress his friends suggests that they are flashes in the pan.  Sorry for going on like that... &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 07:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Would you mind sending me the link to that site? I fail to find it by googling any like results. This would not be appropriate for BJAODN (not really that much of a joke), and yes, the stuff is notable to those who like YTMND, but many are not actually fads in their own right, and it's way too out-of hand currently- User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]03:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Smerge, per Mysekurity. I agree with his/her reasoning completely. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 04:40, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm a he :) - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]03:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Pardon me for asking, but for it to be a fad, don't you actually have to do something? Wear a hat with a flower sticking out? Buy a pet rock? Solve a Rubik's cube? A song can't be a fad unless you sing it. A quote sureashell can't be a fad. Terri Schiavo a fad? Surely you jest! Delete this silliness. Denni &#9775; 04:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, if you go by the normal definition of "fad"... which we're not, as you can easily tell by actually reading the article. Fad here means a popular topic for the YTMNDs to cover, not real fads. --Shadow Hog 00:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. Sandstein 14:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep or extremely weak merge There is already enough information about the fads in the main article. The whole point of the fads article was for stuff that was not appropriate for the main article. Celerityfm 21:28, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, but are you willing to erase the stuff that's clearly NOT an actual fad? Which are the big fads really? Something that's had 3 sites devoted to it and has never been on the top 15 is not a fad, while something like Gay Fuel is. Look no further than any compilation YTMND. I think the best place for this would be either a YTMND wiki or a SMALL piece in wikibooks. - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]03:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thats why I voted Keep! A YTMND wiki doesn't sound like a bad idea actually :P Wikibooks works for me too-- my point is that the list should remain seperate from the main article :) Celerityfm 13:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well sure, I guess wikibooks would be less noticable, and less likely to be vandalized, but in any event, I think it should be transwikied there. If this vote fails, which it might, I'm going to nominate it for transwiking. - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]18:25, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Strong delete or extremely weak merge. For those who question whether notability is an inclusion criteria, this should be Exhibit #1. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  15:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * To reellaborate, the internet is a vast collection of assorted tomfoolery that will not die because a bunch of soccor moms disapprove of what YTMNDs; fads offer. Schivacos' death HAS been a source of moraleless humour on sites beyond YTMND, so they are no special case. YTMNDs' "fads" are self contained within thier own community, however, their community has been gradually expanding into mainstream noteriaty, one may even suggest that YTMND ITSELF is an Internet fad, not quite outperforming other contraversial sites such as say, a Newgrounds, but it may very soon eclipse it. And indeed, some of the sicker humour involved (be it about Schiavo) is just further proof that not everyone on the internet looks at the community as one that needs moral direction. If people are trying to delete something that dares to find humour in tragedy, you wither need to live a little, take a joke, or start hunting down and delete every parody site in the past, the present, the future. Take a damn joke. I'll be saving this information to put straight back up if it IS deleted, YTMNDs' fads have a place here, and its' survived deletion before, if a merge is what is required to sustain its' lifespan, so be it, but its' not a question of "should we keep it", its' a matter of "when we keep it" RKZ KEEP
 * Yeah, there's no denying it's great stuff, but the question is whether or not it's encyclopedic. At the very least it needs to be cleaned up, but the inborn nature of the article means that it's prone to every shmoe who's created a site to add theirs in. Stuff like Schiavo and "What is Love", the various stapler parodies, Bannana Phone, Yakkety Sax, and the numerous others are worth noting to YTMND lovers, but the question is; are these really notable to people who don't know about the site? Are you honestly saying that people who have no idea about YTMND would want to read such a huge page? If nothing else, it needs to be condensed, and I love the idea of transwiking it to another project (Mediawiki or otherwise). - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]03:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

KEEP this page, it serves as a handy, up to date reference for the many fads that we come across on the web. In my opinion Wikipedia is excellent for this sort of thing; regularly updated lists of things that may confuse people, yet are ultimately harmless. If you don't like this page, don't visit it. Problem solved. - CharlieA
 * Transwiki. There has been a lot of effort for this that does not justify for it to be just deleted. As much as I appreciate this sort of list, its not really appropriate for an encyclopaedia either. Its not common knowledge enough. I think its best it is moved to Wikibooks. -- Zondor 22:19, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, or very, very weak merge - this article exists solely because it was too long for the YTMND article to begin with, but was still worth noting. Wikibooks might be a good alternative, though. (And the paragraph on fads should be merged with the main article, but everything else probably shouldn't be - hence "very, very weak".) --Shadow Hog 00:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Again, are you saying that this is worthy of its own article in current form? I'd like to see it be majorly cleaned up at the very least, but I don't think it's needed in an encyclopedia form, and thus, should be transwikied to an appropriate--or closely appropriate--project. - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]03:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge - This list is too lengthy for what it is trying to serve. This article should be merged with YTMND article, cleaned up, and shortened down to common music and other common fads. Other so-called "fads" have been used only a handful of times, if even that many, and are then forgotten. Why they are even put up here eludes me. I agree with much of what Mysekurity says about this. Zig 02:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki. As per Zondor. --ThatNateGuy 03:41, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't transwiki. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn.  Grue   16:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It's referenced often. --Zeality 19:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * By what, exactly? What Links Here shows very few notable links (iPod silhoutte being one of the few exceptions, but can be easily deleted or redirected to YTMND). I challenge Zeality, Iggy Koopa, and anon 69.141.22.65 to provide a reason why this is a good reference for an encyclopedia. Believe me, I love YTMND, but this just isn't the right place for a list like this. A transwiki to Wikibooks or a setup of a YTMND wiki seems fair and reasonable, and I urge you all to change your votes. Thank you, User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]00:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep It's a good reference. Iggy Koopa 20:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep As Iggy said, good refrence. --69.141.22.65 23:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia seems to be a dumping ground for YTMND to define what it is. Wikipedia is not a free host or webspace provider (www.ytmnd.com/info/about.html about page). Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine (propaganda, advocacy, self-promotion, advertising). Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (news reports). Wikipedia is not a dictionary (of fads). Wikipedia is not an instruction manual (on adding new fad entries). See also What Wikipedia is not. -- Zondor 02:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC) -- Zondor 04:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hehe. I think it's funny that Ole Max referred to us (as the about page is "under construction). Good job Wikipedians! - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]04:00, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete This information may be interesting, informative, or entertaining... but it does not belong in Wikipedia. (Or at least 90% of it). Create a fan site or put it in YTMND.com forums. ConCuu 03:57, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable. What constitutes a "fad"?  Who decides?  The talk page says "something that has been repeated many times", but what constitutes "many"? --Carnildo 21:44, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or, if you must, merge to parent article. -Sean Curtin 22:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge or keep. Trollderella 23:07, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep 24.0.130.58
 * Keep and trim. ShadowMan1od 03:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete or weak merge echoing Andrew Lenahan Dottore So 13:31, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep or extremely weak merge echoing Celerityfm] --[[User:Viewtiful Zoidberg|Viewtiful Zoidberg 04:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that the above user has only two edits as of the time of this posting. - User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail ]]00:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - Most of the information is very useful. I use this page often. BadgetSmuck --
 * Keep notable enough for me. Youngamerican 02:03, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It can't be waisting space, and clearly enough people care about it that it has been expanded to its current size. Merging doesn't make sense, becaus it's too large, that is why it was created. Just keep it. And to weather any of the listed phenomenon every became fads is realy dependent on what you consider a fad. There is no reason to delete this article. - Mr.owen 11:50 10/22/10
 * Keep -JF
 * Delete as forumcruft. NatusRoma 00:11, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge it with the main article, and cut down the list of fads. It has some usefulness in giving readers an idea on what some of the fads "ytmnd" has, but it solves no purpose as a separate list of fads, other than showing what are basically general internet fads being made into ytmnd sites at the time of said "fad". (Yes I did use the word fad too much in that comment xD) Blightsoot 20:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This is what should happen: The information relating to YTMND fads should be kept, and the article should be renamed to "YTMND fad". Then, the list itself is deleted. The list at first was good, but then the list went out of control. The list should die. The list requires a death sentence. The information, however, needs to be acquitted for murder charges. It did no killing. It's innocent I tell ya! —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep/strong merge. This list is useful beyond words and I would hate to see it go, but in a more serious matter I find that having an index of the fads on YTMND shows how the subculture has developed and flourished. That being said, the list should definitely be kept (clear out redundant/unproliferated fads), and while I would like most of all for it to stay as its own article I would accept a merge as well. Eszett, 16:24, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's useful info for anyone interested in YTMND, although it could stand some trimming. The Invisible Hand 21:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, talk about an understatement... :P --Shadow Hog 22:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Summary of opinions
Numbers refer to approximate edit counts at the time of nomination, users with no numbers have a lot of edits, anonymous opinions or account registers after nomination not included.
 * User:Gaff: Nominator, delete, unmaintainable, unencyclopaedic.
 * User:Denni: Delete, silliness.
 * User:Zondor: Delete, not encyclopaedic, but much effort has gone into it, so transwiki.
 * User:Zoe: Delete.
 * User:Grue: Delete, not notable.
 * User:Carnildo: Delete, unverifiable.
 * User:NatusRoma: Delete, forumcruft.
 * User:Sandstein (250): Delete, per nomination.
 * User:ThatNateGuy (25): Delete and transwiki, per Zondor.
 * User:Concuu (10): Delete, does not belong on WP.
 * User:Starblind: Delete, not notable (second choice: merge).
 * User:Gtrmp: Delete, second choice: merge.
 * User:Dottoreso: Delete, second choice: merge, per Starblind.
 * User:Mysekurity: Delete/merge, mixed feelings, list is too big to maintain, few of the fads are notable.
 * User:A Man In Black: Smerge, per Mysekurity (no idea what smerge means, so I guess it's delete/merge).
 * Shorten and merge, per User:R. fiend's user page Sorry to edit a closed AFD, but clarification helps. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 23:22, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Blightsoot: Merge and shorten.
 * User:Zig973 (40): Merge, list should be shortened.
 * User:Trollderella: Merge or keep.
 * User:Shadow Hog: Keep, perhaps merge, transwiki would be a good alternative.
 * User:Esszet (180): Keep, second option: merge.
 * User:Youngamerican: Keep, notable enough.
 * User:Messedrocker: Keep, rename, delete the fads and leave only the intro.
 * User:Celerityfm (350): Keep, but main concern seems to be to keep the list out of YTMND.
 * User:ShadowMan1od (260): Keep and trim.
 * User:Zeality (90): Keep, it's referenced often.
 * User:Dr. R.K.Z (40): keep, no clear reason.
 * User:Iggy Koopa (25): Keep, good reference.
 * User:BadgetSmuck (5), not logged in but I assume it's him: Keep, useful.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.