Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Yu-Gi-Oh! cast members


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus for deletion. Please take further redirect and merge discussions to the talk page of the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Yu-Gi-Oh! cast members

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Totally random. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of information. Kariteh 21:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC) Deleteper JulesH, with a suggestion. There are cast lists for the various shows, yes? Are there any cast members left out of those lists? If so, put them in. No need to create little "list demons" for the casts of every show.--Ispy1981 16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- Bduke 00:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is what categories are for. --Sbluen 00:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep this is NOT what categories are for. Over at CFD we spent months working on getting all the cast member categories listified.  During discussions, we assured the people who maintained the categories that no information would be destroyed when the categories were removed and more detailed information could be added to the lists.  PLEASE! don't delete these lists.  If you do, people will start recreating the categories.  This information makes much more sense as a list than as a category.  I think it is impractical to say that cast lists should not have any home on Wikipedia.  People will continue to add this information faster than we can remove it.  Let it exist on lists.  That is the most appropriate form this information can take. -- &#x2611; Sam uelWantman 06:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So, this stubby, random directory list should exist because there is a risk that people will create some inappropriate category elsewhere? I didn't know that it's how Wikipedia functions. If a category exists and shouldn't, it has to be deleted, that's all. Just because it can be tedious to do it repeatedly doesn't mean we have to violate WP:NOT and create a random directory list just to avoid this problem. Kariteh 08:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are already cast lists on the main articles for each series (e.g. Yu-Gi-Oh! (first series anime)).  There is no need to duplicate this information in a central list. JulesH 08:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - As the information exists elsewhere, I see no reason why this page should not be deleted. However, I very strongly oppose turning this back into a category.  See Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 25.  Using categories for cast members became a nightmare, as actors may perform in up to one hundred films and TV shows during their careers.  The resulting block of category links at the bottoms of the articles for some actors became very difficult to read and use for navigation.  Turning these lists back into categories would be highly disruptive.  Dr. Submillimeter 08:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever happens, do not categorize. Dr. Submilliter and Samuel have already explained why. Besides, if we delete it now, the information will become a bloaty part of Yu-Gi-Oh!, then a separate list etc. ad vitam aeternam! Circeus 09:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do not categorize Cast lists should almost never be done as categories. Leave either as a list article or merge the cast list into the main article for the show. See WP:OCAT for why cast lists should not be done as categories. Dugwiki 16:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Improve it rather than deleting it.
 * Delete This type of information is better served and provides better context when incorporated into articles about characters. --Farix (Talk) 12:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect or delete Not that I feel strongly about it, but I should point out that this isn't an indiscriminate list of information. The concept has worked for other articles, but if the layout can be done in a better way, then fine, redirect it. -- Ned Scott 04:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. CRGreathouse (t | c) 19:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge and redirect to the show article or a list of show characters. Since all-capital-letter links to a particular essay and certain policies seem to be all the rage right now in WP:AfD, let me say that WP:JUSTAPOLICY is no more a valid argument than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Simply stating that something is an "indiscriminate list" or a "directory" does not make it so. Nobody has presented any valid argument as to why a WP:LIST of WP:NOTABLE cast members in a WP:NOTABLE television show, which is WP:VERIFIABLE and WP:ATTributable to WP:ReliableSources, is WP:NPOV and not WP:ORiginal research, would be considered an "indiscriminate list" or a "directory". A cast list is a well-defined, finite, list, which is a perfectly valid criteria meeting the WP:LIST guidelines, as typically television actors are notable for the very reason of being in certain notable television shows. And cast categories are usually not appropriate for the very good reasons given in WP:OCAT. DHowell 02:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Listcruft is just an essay, but it applies here. This list only contains links to other articles, it seems to be a replacement for a deleted category without enough context to stand as its own article, and the information already exists in Yu-Gi-Oh! (second series anime), Yu-Gi-Oh! (first series anime), etc. only much better written.  Also, there isn't a lead with a clear criteria for inclusion - is the list only for actors who voice main characters, or for everyone who has done voices for the show, even "Duelist #2" or "Boy in pink shirt"?  Does it include English or Japanese voice actors? (It seems like both, just thrown together.)  Is it for actors from the first series, or the second series? --Transfinite (Talk / Contribs) 04:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - could be a category, but it is not an article. --Storm Rider (talk) 04:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * merge and redirect - article provides zero information, except that the person was a cast member on at least one show. It is therefore not exncyclopedic; and any encyclopedic treatment you could provide for this list would be better off appearing in the main article (e.g. as a "cast" section for regular cast, and under a "trivia" section for special appearances). Also do not categorize, to respect the wishes of editors above. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 17:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.