Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ambiguous patriotic songs


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The result was Delete. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-27 11:55Z

List of ambiguous patriotic songs

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An unsourced, strangely constituted list that imho can only ever be added to in a subjective way. Violates WP:NOT, I contend. kingboyk 17:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Nonsense. Zero non-wiki ghits. --JianLi 17:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This list is pure original research. *** Crotalus *** 17:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete What is the criteria for inclusion here? The entire article is open to interpretation. What makes a song ambiguously patriotic? It appears to be complete original research. -- Cy ru s   An dir on  [[Image:Flag_of_Indiana.svg|24px]] 18:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR. No sources in article nor on talk page.  A Google search shows nothing but WP and mirrors, so there's no indication that this term was been used in multiple independent reliable sources to make it qualify under WP:ATT.  "Be Kind To Your Web-Footed Friends" is on this list just because it reused a particular melody??  I have a taste for subtle criticism but I think the purveyor-of-original-research found something nonexistent.  Barno 18:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete subjective item. Doczilla 18:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as an arbitrary list consisting of pure original research.-- danntm T C 18:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I scratch my head at this one. Haikupoet 20:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't fathom what on earth's going on in the creator's head here. Penny Lane a patriotic song? Streets of Philadelphia? Not even OR, more a random list of songs -  irides centi   (talk to me!)  22:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. OR, and not what it claims to be. An "ambiguous patriotic song" is one that can be read as being patriotic and also can be read as exactly the opposite (e.g, "Born in the USA"). Grutness...wha?  01:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * While I agree with your main point, I don't think Born in the U.S.A. (and to a lesser extent, Fortunate Son) can be classified as anything but "songs that have been ironically misinterpreted as patriotic". Even though they do seem to get heavy airplay every July 4.  :)  --Xtifr tälk 16:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, wow, normally the problem with such lists is that they don't specify the inclusion criteria well enough (or at all). This one has an entire paragraph describing the inclusion criteria, and that actually makes it worse!  "Well, it's songs like this.  Or maybe songs like that.  Or maybe something else."  Original research, hopelessly indiscriminate, subjective POV, completely unsourced...that's most of our content policies being violated.  And to top it all off, the very first song listed is...Blame Canada!?  Er, wouldn't that fit better in List of unambiguously nonpatriotic songs?  :)  15:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.  -- Pax:Vobiscum 20:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.