Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of apologies to China


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 15:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

List of apologies to China

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There is no need to have a list article like this. Wikipedia doesn't have such type of list article. Abishe (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Abishe (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I have a feeling that this article might be a WP:DIRECTORY, and possibly not following WP:NPOV. It also doesn't help that the article lists figures and groups who have "apologized" to China along with Chinese companies themselves (which of course are generally going to be "pro-China") Khu'hamgaba Kitaptalk 14:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Lists of people apologizing for specific things are going to be hard enough. This is an open ended list of people apologizing for anything, anytime, as long as it in some way can be construed as "to China". This is not that notable, not defining, and not even fully quantifiable, especially with the rise of the back handed apology.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * They get coverage for making an official apology to the government of China.  D r e a m Focus  19:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per all of the above.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:30, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SNOW. Whoever created this travesty of a list should apologize to Wikipedia. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I’m really sorry, but this needs to be deleted as per above. Brunton (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Why does Wikipedia even need this? In my own POV, this might be (slightly) defamatory to the companies (and so) listed here. Wikipedia should promote neutrality, and people reading this article will likely take a stand, either for or against China, which is not Wikipedians want. Lord of Math (Prove me wrong) 01:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTNEEDED is not a valid reason to delete something. It is not defamatory to companies since they made public apologies.  Wikipedia does not censor. WP:CENSOR You can't delete an article because you believe someone might form an opinion about something.    D r e a m Focus  19:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration.  D r e a m Focus  01:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-brief-history-of-corporate-apologies-to-china-2019-10-09 https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/asia/2019-10-08-global-brands-offer-groveling-apologies-to-china/ https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/10/14-times-american-companies-self-censored-or-apologized-to-appease-communist-china/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/corporate-americas-subservience-to-china-and-american-populism-cannot-coexist and other results appear with a Google news search for "apologies to China". This is a notable topic, clearly meets the General Notability Guidelines.   D r e a m Focus  01:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I feel that would be better served as an article titled Western companies and China or something like that. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:51, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - the thing here is not about notability, it’s about whether it is meant to be in an encyclopedia. Frankly, I'm not an experienced user on Wikipedia, but my sense tells me that this is far from fit in any encyclopedia. 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 09:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Already !voted above. Geschichte (talk) 19:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - The article in its current form is POV as it entirely lacks the context of the apologies. Judging from the content as well as the tone of the sources cited, a better title might be List of entities who bent to pressure after expressing support for protests in Hong Kong. I'm wondering if this short list can be merged in its entirety into Reactions to the 2019 Hong Kong protests.  Daß &thinsp;  Wölf  11:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that Wikipedia is still blocked in China. Should we apologise too? Andrew🐉(talk) 13:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Isn't the article written with political motives and lets say could be related to 2019 Hong Kong protests. I wonder why Wikipedia should apologise to China because its China who blocked Wikipedia. Maybe Wikipedia could also be included in the list. We should comply with WP:NPOV. Abishe (talk) 15:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. This technically abides by the rule for significant coverage, but looking at this as a reasonable person, it seems to be a well-meaning but intentional fork of the One-China Principle, written as an essay that gives undue weight to the concerns about insults. The page also attaches a list this is a catchall for different things - sovereign and corporate apologies, and responding to both intentional insults and accidental gaffes. Bearian (talk) 20:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This expresses my sentiments about the article as well.  Daß &thinsp;  Wölf  14:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


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