Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of armed conflicts and attacks, January – June 2011


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Deryck C. 18:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

List of armed conflicts and attacks, January – June 2011

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Wikipedia is not a news site Night of the Big Wind  talk  18:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Nick-D (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * List of terrorist incidents has articles of terrorists acts around the world, with the ones from 1970 to 2011 having their own articles. This one should be redirected to List of terrorist incidents, 2011.  Any information that is different can be merged over.   D r e a m Focus  23:08, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We went through a long discussion on the talk page and terrorist is pov, ESP. if only mentions non-state actors.
 * As an aside, thsi incarnaiton was NOT my preference it was a product of consensus...that was then unilaterally reverted without discussion while 2 pages were ongoing. per WP:WTA]] and WP:NPOV as well as consensus on the TALK PAGE not this discussion for deletion it was agreed to mveo it. this has nothing to do with news, its a list per precedence as in all the others including the list of terrorist incidents that no one disputes as notable.
 * the nom cites indiscriminate nad then says it should moved to terrorit incidents, what is that then?Lihaas (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Unclear inclusion criterion, resulting in random selection of the thousands of individual violent attacks by non-state actors for criminal or other motives. The article List of armed conflicts and attacks, January – June 2012 (not currently nominated for deletion) should go for the same reason. --Lambiam 08:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the LONG and heated discussion on the terrorist lists 2011 which had an "unclear inclusion cirterion" that was the basis for the move this one has a clear one that is not POV to invlude state actions or a RANDOM collection but bombings and actions that would feature on both lists. Terroroism is not the monopoly of non-state actors and thats pov.
 * Conversely the title on that article would be fine and npov if it adopted such a format (the state/non-state table came from discussion in early 2011).
 * However to say it has UNCLEAR ciretion is a gross misjudgement becuase its crtirion is FAR more clear than the already heavily disputed 2011 list...furthermore the original reason citing "is not a news site" is clearly hypocrisy as that would apply similarly to the other article.Lihaas (talk) 18:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, take for example the March 27 killing of DJ Megatron, or the May 15 killing of M-Bone. Why are these not on the list? They fit the given inclusion criterion. For a discussion of the inclusion criterion it is not relevant what an earlier article title was. "List of evil acts by evil people" may not be a good idea for an article, but renaming it "List of acts by people" does not turn it into a good idea. (The present name is pretty bad in any case; the article is not about armed conflicts but about specific incidents.) --Lambiam 00:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Its not there because no one sayw fit for it...we cant FORCE people to make edits otherwise all articles would be perfect.
 * this nakme wasnt my incarnation it was the consensus generated early last year to create this. in fact i was not in favour of it...but the other article is certainly POV.Lihaas (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So are you saying these killings do fit the inclusion criterion? Then it is indeed indiscriminate and unmanageable. --Lambiam 09:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether i say it or not is irrelevant because i dont make the rules discussion on the TALK page does through consensus as it was when this was created, against my choice too, if you must know. we DISCUSS ctriterion on the talk page, dont delete it when theres an alternative like consensus gathering. (as in the delete page that talks of alternatives) Not to mention pov the other ay round. At any rate, who defines what terrorism is? This is not a media laden weblog.Lihaas (talk) 23:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. While WP is not news, the list format provides a record of events, similar to year articles (e.g. 2011) which incidentally have far looser inclusion criteria and thus really read like a news paper. So, instead of deleting, this article just needs to have its inclusion criteria better defined. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 13:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 13:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC)




 * Keep Maybe this info should go somewhere else, or some other merges, reorganizations or changes are needed. But there is a huge amount of sourced referenced reasonably-enclyclopedic information & work here.  North8000 (talk) 13:38, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep On the right side of the table are two columns: State and Non-state. The entire State column proves that the article is not a copy of the Terrorist actions list. Could be a more concise addition to the existing 'List of terrorist incidents' if it included only State Actions. Anarchangel (talk) 05:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.