Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of artists influenced by Madonna


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The result was merge to Cultural impact of Madonna. Consensus is that the topic covered merits inclusion, however the list itself does not. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

List of artists influenced by Madonna

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Basically just an arbitrary list. Are we counting people who have worn her conical bra? Or who remixed her tracks? This could be turned into an article titled "Madonna's influence on popular culture" or something like that but this list is just ridiculous. Noah 💬 20:58, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment: This list is about people from/in the entertainment industry influenced by Madonna, with commentaries (from others or by them) on that and examples. Not those who "have worn her conical bra" or "remixed her tracks". I know, is not the perfect list and grammar can be improved but mostly both text and examples are supported by reliable sources (and those who aren't can be replaced or re-verify the poorly additions). The list doesn't need be neither renamed because her influence on others (entertainers) is a topic developed extensively not only by pundits but by intellectuals. All here is in those context and IMHO meets many requirements for an existence beyond the concern expressed by nominator. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Just commenting that the article Cultural impact of Madonna exists. MarkZusab (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * True. But if this a suggestion for merge content, I would oppose to that idea. Because that article is mostly about her not "her on others". And considering the Cultural impact of Madonna could be expanded with more academic topics such as "Globalization", "Race", "Gender", "Multiculturalism" etc (I do not doubt I could help to develop those topics) with reviews from authorities authors. Also, I'm not sure if the nominator is aware that there is others "list of artists influenced by" (e,g Michael Jackson) to have a general picture on these type of lists. Regards, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 23:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Second comment to list existing articles of the same type:
 * List of artists influenced by Beyoncé
 * List of artists influenced by Christina Aguilera
 * List of artists influenced by Eminem
 * List of artists influenced by Janet Jackson
 * List of artists influenced by Michael Jackson
 * List of celebrities influenced by Selena
 * MarkZusab (talk) 23:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing a complete list. I noticed nominator was cited in WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk in regards the similar list for Taylor Swift. I would like hear back something from him and not see this like a cherry-pick nomination of only one list (Madonna). Although all these lists contains errors and I know other users cited WP:OTHERSTUFFEXITS to justify the creation of new lists, in defense of artists such as Michael Jackson or Madonna, they are constantly cited by performers around the world as an influence no matters the decade. That's an important part of their literature and considering their main articles are more than extensive, this type of lists brings readers a general perspective. In the very near future, I'll work to find better sources or remove poorly additions if this help . --Apoxyomenus (talk) 00:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I note the extra lists in the comment by . Considering that no one article on Wikipedia sets a precedent for any other aticle, and that listing of articles for comparison purposes at AfD is discouraged, have they been brought here as additions to this AfD? If so they are not corectly nominated, neither here, nor in the individual articles. If not, then what is the purpose of bringing them here, please? Fiddle   Faddle  08:52, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I see a kinda bad rationale from the nominator, as none of the content on that page talking about cone bra or remixes of her songs, not even a single mention. I don't know whether he/she just being ironic tho. I suggest to make it a WP:MULTIAFD that encompases all of those lists as pointed out by above. I mean, if we want to delete this topic for the biggest woman in music industry, then I just don't see why more obscure names such as Aguilera or Selena deserve one. Let the community decide once for all. Bluesatellite (talk) 05:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I could fails under WP:OTHERSTUFFS but seems pretty unlikely overlook the rest of the lists with massive maintaince edits. After all, if we're talking about this like an "arbitrary list", the rest of them have the same format: lists and lists of examples. Comparison with avanced texts like "Cultural impact of" are more disputable. In her case I know there are poorly additions, and that's also happens because everyone can edit Wikipedia but problems like this can't overshadow the subject IMHO, and set a template could help to warn these issues like the MJ-list beyond a bureaucratic step. Anyway, I'll respect final results and if a WP:MULTIAFD is open, is more understandable. Regards, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 06:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * This article is more complex than a simple list. I do not see overall deletion or retention as a valid outcome. Instead I see a two part solution
 * Split this article into two, part one with the very detailed and likely notable prose background, but no list, and part two the list with a brief synopsis as the lede and list heading. The first might be titled alomg the lines of Madonna's influence on other performers, the second, the actual list, retains the current title.
 * Keep the new (prose) article for all the standard reasons of notability, referencing etc, and then consider whether the list per se is valid here and either make a separate nomination for AfD or leave it alone, giving the dust here some time to settle.
 * I am not yet convinced that the list itself is other than an indiscriminate collection of stuff, but I believe that should form a separate discussion from this rather broader article.
 * I think the set of other lists brought here above as examples should be set apart from this deletion discussiomn. They are obviously not included within it. It os procedurally too late to add them and each deserves its own consideration, which consderation includes no action taken. Fiddle   Faddle  11:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete -- Sections "Background", "Context and analysis", and "Legacy" are WP:CFORK and can be reasonably incorporated into existing articles, either Madonna or Cultural impact of Madonna. The definitions of what it means by "being influenced by Madonna", as explained in the "Definition" section, is straight-up WP:OR. I do not see a point of including each-and-every artist who has mentioned Madonna by name in interviews. This is WP:UNDUE and WP:POINT as its finest. HĐ (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:30, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I have no words on this. I think that these kind of lists are kind of arbitrary so maybe deleting this is recommended to me. ADTN1210 (talk) 21:22, April 10, 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and rescue some of the content to Cultural impact of Madonna. There's still no need to list each and every name exists. We should focus on "how" (prose) rather than an endless list of "who". Bluesatellite (talk) 05:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, I would like someone from WikiProject Madonna to rescue necessary information from this list to "Cultural impact of Madonna" (although I am afraid what is included in this list is already in that article, making it CFORK). HĐ (talk) 06:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm working on that in this section. The grammar, wordy sentences etc will be fixed ASAP by other members (maybe Bluesatellite). Thanks --Apoxyomenus (talk) 06:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, this reminds me of some lists a while back regarding TV performances of notable artists, of course they are going to appear at more live shows. Juts like Madonna and other singers have influences generations but we are not looking for a grocery lists with a small lead. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * comment I do not oppose deleting this article. I only fear that voting for this may result in its deletion, while others like it possibly may not end up deleted. So if the other ones go and if this comment can then be used as a “delete” vote.TruthGuardians (talk) 23:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Just a POV fancruft used for POV pushing and providing a false notion that "everyone has been influenced by my favorite artist". We don't need that here. TolWol56 (talk) 02:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Partially Merge to Cultural impact of Madonna and discard the list. This article has some solid high-level research on Madonna's widespread influence, but much of it is repeated from Cultural impact of Madonna. Any unique thematic material from this list article can be merged over there. Otherwise the list of people suffers from the WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:INDISCRIMINATE problems and is not particularly informative. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just to clarify, now it's looks like we have "repeated" parts from Cultural impact of Madonna with the list, because I recently transfer the main idea-references into the section "Madonna's influence on others performers" (Nota bene, grammar errors, missing refs etc will be corrected, meanwhile template "under construction" has been placed). In regards the possibility of WP:CFORK pointed out by HD: I'm making sure don't have copy-paste info from the main article or inside the same article. Literature is vast, so I'm pretty sure that problem couldn't actually exists, while BLP briefly explain those points. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 08:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Partial merge per . It seems that, in their Herculean undertaking to revamp the article Cultural impact of Madonna, has already done this.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  04:54, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Just like other similar lists nominated recently, this is yet another barely conclusive list if we look at the WP:OR done here. LearnIndology (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with Cultural impact of Madonna: topic of "artists influenced by" is unsuited to a rigorous and objective selective criteria, and not useful to readers (how do we determine which, say, ten artists are the most influenced or most important who were influenced). However, the sources and prose content is useful. If all of it that's due weight to Madonna is already in the "Cultural impact" article (I can't see that it is), and anything primarily about another artist is at that artist's article, then we can delete. — Bilorv ( talk ) 22:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as fancruft. All the similar articles listed above have been deleted. Merge any salvageable content to the cultural impact article. — python coder (talk &#124; contribs) 22:11, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: The very nature of this article is questionable because being influenced by Madonna has such a broad spectrum; many artists can say that they were influenced but what is a meaningful extent? Was Drake meaningfully influenced by her? How about a lil Kim? For an article titled as a list, it isn't just a list but a lot of background that suitable elsewhere in wikipedia. Merge what we can with Cultural impact of Madonna. Ew3234 (talk) 01:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)


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