Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of assassinated people from Turkey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Daniel (talk) 21:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

List of assassinated people from Turkey

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This article should be deleted as there are no reliable sources and sometimes even no source. It is therefore not in agreement with WP: RS. JeanPetitquitiensunbalais (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, no valid argument for deletion has been presented. AFD is WP:NOTCLEANUP; we do not delete content for fixable problems. postdlf (talk) 20:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is an appropriate topic for a stand-alone list and is synergistic with Category:Assassinated Turkish people. It shouldn't be hard to find reliable sources as almost every entry already has an article. gobonobo  + c 20:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, so all the people who are cited with no sources should be deleted? And is a blog a reliable source? I don't think so. JeanPetitquitiensunbalais (talk) 20:01, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge to the various Category:Lists of assassinations as appropriate and then redirect to List of assassinations. Going by the aforementioned category, nationality alone does not seem to be a standard parameter by which to list assassinations. This was of course not the intention when the article was created back in 2006, either: back then, the title was Laicist Turks who are murdered. It was moved to a variation of the current title later the same year with the comment A more neutral title which could also help this to be developed into a broader article. In the decade and a half that has passed since then, we have become more discerning about the scopes of the articles (including lists) we create and maintain. Back then, arbitrary scopes that had been "eyeballed" (so-to-speak) by editors without being supported by sources were tolerated/accepted to a much greater extent. We should really stop and think about which parameters we should and should not fork List of assassinations by, because the possibilities are virtually endless: there's motive, method, location (which is currently the main way we sort it, though I can't say I understand why), year, nationality of victim, nationality of perpetrator, age of victim, age of perpetrator, occupation of victim, occupation of perpetrator, time of year, and so on. So we end up with articles such as List of assassinations in Albania, List of assassinated serving ambassadors, List of assassinations by firearm, List of Israeli assassinations, and so on. We even have an article called List of Turkish diplomats assassinated by Armenian militant organisations whose scope overlaps with this list (and uses several parameters in conjunction to define the scope). So is the Turkish nationality of the victim a good and meaningful way to fork List of assassinations? Well no, I don't think so—though I am open to arguments to the contrary. So while it is true that the nominator has not presented any valid argument for deletion, this really isn't a good scope for a list article (and never has been) and we should merge the content to elsewhere. TompaDompa (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, not all categories require an article. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:19, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The default assumption is that a category of this sort requires an article It is true that not all categories require a list artoc;e, but where a categoy is both very specific and a list can provide relevant information, they should.  A list article provides context, a list provides nothing but links. anyone searching in this area, or trying to see the scope of it, would be much better served with a list like this.. The minimal context a list provides is dates, which is always helpful. In this instance., there's more, indicating the reason in terms of politics and history.  The only advantage of a category over a lsit is that it's formed automatically, and this is of real value mainly for large amorphous categories.   DGG ( talk ) 12:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, there's enough amount of information which is cited, and the category list is notable and non-trivial enough to create a list. If there's a problem, like some uncited materials, then these issues should be addressed on the article talk page and appropriate noticeboards (like portal talk pages), not in an AfD. Ahmetlii (talk) 17:53, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


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