Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of automobiles known for negative reception


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ~ GB fan 15:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

List of automobiles known for negative reception

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Article is a major point-of-view fork. People can have a negative opinion about every car in existence in one way or another and this article have no chance to be rewritten in an encyclopedic manner. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Lists. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Note that this list was nominated for deletion at AfD twice before, in 2015 and in 2018. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I will try to address two main reasons why this article has been kept.
 * List of films considered the worst, so this article should also be kept – No, this is not true. Another similar article being kept does not mean that this article should be kept. Unlike List of films considered the worst, this article does not definitively define notability or criteria for inclusion. For example, should the Cybertruck controversial and potential safety hazard make it suitable for inclusion here? Or if there are only precisely three reliable sources criticizing an old car model, should it be removed from this page? Yes or no, because of why? I do understand that this criteria for inclusion might allow a bit fuzziness here, but in this case I feel that it is too subjective and prone to editor's bias, which leads to...
 * List is sourced to respectable news and broadcasting media – this is very fuzzy and prone to editors' bias. For example, the VinFast VF 8. If Vietnamese news sources praise the car for being ABC and XYZ, while Western sources all criticize the car in all other respect, should it stay or be removed from the article? Again, if people from the Anglosphere universally criticize the car while people from other parts of the world praise the car, either the omission or the addition of the entry would imply geographical bias. I don't want to say that we should encourage false balance here (especially because I'm biased about the VF 8 myself because of my nationality), but IMO this is something that we have to consider especially for Chinese and Russian cars listed.
 * And here are some more potential issues about the article, some can be fixed, some are inherent, sorted from most urgent:
 * Article is cited to a lot of blogs and websites that are not authoritative and representative of the automobile world. This means that their criticisms cannot be taken as a reliable review of automobile experts' consensus.
 * Excessive amount of quotations, no summary of the criticisms. This is a potential copyright violation issue.
 * List's title imply that all cars that have at least some form of negative reception should be included in this list.
 * – CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't want to turn this to a derisive debate. On a wider note, if this article is kept for the third time, then I strongly recommend establishing a consistent criteria for articles within Category:Lists of worsts to avoid further debates about these kind of articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.