Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of awards and nominations received by 4Minute


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 14:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by 4Minute

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This list seems on the cusp (well over the cusp) of excessive. For example, Best Dressed Singer, Super Rookie for the month of August, and the Bonsang Award in the Style Icon Awards. The only win that seems notable is the Gaon Chart award, the Mnet would be if they had actually won, but it was only a nomination. So really what we have is an exhaustive list to showcase one notable award that was won. Also of note, allkpop.com (of which fifteen sources are) is a self disclosed unreliable source (in their words "allkpop is a celebrity gossip site which publishes rumors and conjecture in addition to accurately reported facts. Information on this site may or may not be true and allkpop makes no warranty as to the validity of any claims". I won't elaborate on the use of twitter as a source, it should speak for itself.

Long story short, in my mind, this page is trying to make something out of nothing, trying to say that 27 notable awards were won, when really only one was. kelapstick(bainuu) 22:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: Nothing in here that needs to be mentioned outside of the 4Minute article, and no editorial content needs to be merged to accomplish that. That it's sourced to allkpop.com means it's also a BLP violation.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge the notable ones back into the 4Minute article. Origamiteⓣⓒ 23:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Trim and merge to main article if it is short : Awards should be ones that are actually given to the band, not editorial superlatives like "Allkpop's band of the month". The weekly ones like Inkigayo are similar to when a TRL-like show lists their top music videos in a countdown for the week, and has nothing to do with whether they charted nationally. Aren't there some Golden Disk level awards as with List of awards and nominations received by Psy? -AngusWOOF (talk) 00:00, 8 March 2015 (UTC), updated 01:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've modified the lists so the Bonsangs show up in pink as they are equivalent to being nominated or a finalist. The group actually receives something for that, and are then considered for the Daesang (grand prize). -AngusWOOF (talk) 02:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment While I agree with the overall direction of this discussion, a few places I think you guys may be off base: the Gaon Chart award is not particularly notable or a BFD; it's new and there are a billion new awards ceremonies every year.  It's just another excuse to film a TV show and create more fluff for the gossip media to talk about.  The Seoul Music and Golden Disk Awards are the ones on this list legitimately considered prestigious within Korea, and the Rookie Award is considered a very big deal (I mean the real award, not the Inkigayo thing or some Allkpop mess).  Not sure deleting this article would accomplish much, as a deeper discussion needs to be held to address the underlying issues.  Shinyang-i (talk) 09:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Trim and merge per Angus, but I also second Shinyang's comments about a need for a list of awards that grant notability. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:45, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:08, 15 March 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 03:07, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I've decided it is, after all, best to delete this article, as any attempts to trim it down and keep unsourced and not-real-award material off it is futile. The Allkpop awards and other such garbage have to be cleaned off too frequently for this article to ever stay in accordance with any kind of Wikipedia standards.  Fans will just continue to add whatever they want, and harass editors who try to remove it.  Korea has so very, very many awards at this point that they are nearly meaningless anyway.  Unless the list of allowed awards can be trimmed to a significant few and explicitly stated in an official document, and the article locked to prevent, well, pretty much anyone from adding anything without admin approval, this article (and the others like it) will never be acceptable. Shinyang-i (talk) 06:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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