Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of awards and nominations received by Sasha Grey


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The result was delete. Tone 22:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by Sasha Grey

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Indiscriminate list based mainly on non-independent, promotional industry sources; no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources found. The little coverage of Grey's awards that exists in independent sources, such as at news.com.au, is already summarized at Sasha Grey. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete Duplication. There is an awards section the main article no need for separate article. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 10:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This is entirely a WP:SPLIT issue that should not have been brought to AFD. If this is not kept as a separate page it should just be redirected to Sasha_Grey. We need to stop wasting time and deletion bureaucracy on what are purely matters of how to organize article content or what level of detail is appropriate for a subtopic of a parent article. postdlf (talk) 15:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that's a valid point, but despite redirects being cheap, I couldn't imagine anyone actually searching for the title phrase. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The fact that this was initially created as a redirect over seven years ago, and then has existed as a page with its own content for over six years, suggests otherwise. It's also a standard way to title these split sublists, so a redirect would clearly mark where the content is and only is (if the consensus is to only have these covered at the parent page). Redirecting also preserves the history in case someone can make a good case for expanding it back out. Not to mention it would also comply with WP:ATD. Insisting on complete deletion is not only unnecessary but also not a good way to achieve consensus. postdlf (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: a WP:NOT list of low-impact industry awards; no need for a stand-alone article. No need for a redirect either. --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kolma8 (talk) 11:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - The issue here is what is considered to be "reliable". In the adult industry, there is a different set of media which are reliable. These are AVN, XBIZ and XRCO. These are reliable publications. By the standards being set here, no adult performer is able to meet the criteria to have a page their awards. the bar is being set as if they are a mainstream actor. The problem here is this feels very much like trying to remove these because they are not understood. The bar being set here would mean that all of the pages listing the awards for 90-95% of individuals who are notable to have a page on Wikipedia and have connected award pages, would have the award page deleted. The things with these pages are that they are effectively connected pages to the main page and are only split off when the information becomes too much for the page in and of itself. If the information were included in the main article of the individual there would be not questions on notability as the content of pages is not up for notability discussion it is the subject of the article. The subject of these pages derives the notability. These pages notability and inclusion on Wikipedia are derived from the individual who has been nominated and won these awards, and that is where they derive notability from. If it was an awards page for an individual who was also not notable then fine delete the awards page, these pages are though connected, and only split off when it becomes too big for the main page.. Sparkle1 (talk) 20:43, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited from the main subject. In the case of lists, notability requires that listed items have been discussed as a group or set by independent sources. Otherwise literally any notable subject could have an endless amount of ancillary list articles of indiscriminate trivia. We don't have different standards of reliable sourcing for the adult industry. Industry sources are largely promotional, and especially so regarding the awards they themselves give out. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:54, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The article has a set of independent sources. There are far more than simply "awards given out by the publication themself. Simply not being what is a regular source does not make it not notable or unreliable. If that was the case any industry which is not mainstream yet notable would never qualify for inclusion on here. Industry publications are notable and are independent of the source. Angela whites website would not be independent. AVN is independent of Angela White. The article needs a clean up not deletion. Throwing around indiscriminate trivia is subjective what the nominator considered trivia will be different to others myself included. Clean up these articles and handle the split issue. Deletion is a lazy answer. Sparkle1 (talk) 10:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * AVN is not independent of the AVN Awards, which are listed here based entirely on AVN web pages. Ditto for XBIZ Awards. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:00, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * AVN is though independent of Sahsa Grey. There are other publications which feature the AVN awards, too many primary sources is not a reason for deletion. It is a reason to clean up the article and tag the article and start a discussion if necessary. Sparkle1 (talk) 20:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Grey is not the subject of the article. The awards received by the performer need to be independently notable to merit a separate list article. Feel free to add independent sources; improvements are welcomed during AfD discussions. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTWEBPOST. Bearian (talk) 20:00, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


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