Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of b-boy moves


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The result was   delete. This article is unsourced. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 21:58, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

List of b-boy moves

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Entirely unsourced cruft, and pretty much OR to boot Jac 16888  Talk 15:06, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. 'B-boy' apparently means what I would have known as breakdancing.  The article lists the names of the various dance figures executed in the art. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * B-boying, but while the dance type seems to be notable, I don't see any need for this list. Even in the opener of this article :"The inventory of b-boy moves is as extensive as the performer's imagination"-- Jac 16888 Talk 16:15, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 17:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak delete Seems like cruft. Keep if it can be cut down and external references added. --Thetrick (talk) 18:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I suppose. This is a pretty odd case. On the one hand, it's totally not "cruft" in my opinion, breakdancing is legitimate artistic expression with decades of history and (going by this article) a lot of depth, and this is good and lengthy article that's been around since 2005 with lots of different people working on it and lots of discussion on the talk page. On the other hand it's completely unreferenced, and that's just weird, and not OK. Has no one written about this in any reliable source??? But judging by the talk page it's not like this is made up or anything. Arguably it'd be better to delete and start from scratch using references, but I'd be reluctant to delete an article this old, this good, this long, with this much history and discussion, and of this apparent notability, even if it is unreferenced. Herostratus (talk) 16:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I take issue with a couple of your points there. First of all, this is a good article? I would say that being entirely unsourced makes it anything but good, and it's age is really of no relevance. Also, I disagree with you saying it's not made up. The intro demonstratres this: "The inventory of b-boy moves is as extensive as the performer's imagination" and there are comments littered throughout the article which further demonstrate that a large number of these moves are added by the people who "pioneered them": "The Winder: .... Pioneered by UK Breaker Major League Chubb D.", "Bboy Baek from Extreme Crew is famous for this move, as well as clap hops." etc. I strongly believe that the content on B-boying in the Dance techniques & B-boy Styles is sufficient content until a properly sourced article can be written-- Jac 16888 Talk 16:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A lot of the knowledge in the b-boy community is passed down via oral tradition, and thus it may be difficult to find "traditional" citations for many of the claims here. Would, for example, a link to YouTube video interviewing some bboys be an acceptable for of citation? Nebu Pookins (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I don't know if it's really accurate. I just mean its apparently not just a hoax or something made up out of whole cloth, judging by the discussions on the talk page. Yes right it would be good if it was sourced so that's true. I dunno. I hate to throw all this work away, is all. @Nebu Pookins, well, normally YouTube videos are not acceptable sources because 1) videos aren't available to everyone (and also can't easily be searched) so as a rule they shouldn't do the core job of providing refs (they're fine as extra external links). 2) Anybody can upload anything to YouTube, so the video could be a hoax, kids pulling our leg or something (but probably not). However because of the "oral tradition" issue you cite maybe we can relax the rules somewhat, not sure. Herostratus (talk) 03:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The article is unverifiable. Even after some six years of existence, and two weeks of discussion, the article lacks any reliable sources. This makes it very likely that none such exist or can be found.  Sandstein   18:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with Sandstein here, this fails WP:V. This is just a list of dance moves that was probably used at one point by some random b-boy band or just recently created. This is certainly not an "good and lengthy" article. Herostratus you should know better than using that excuse for keeping an article. Also YouTube is an acceptable source at times (like a notable expert in the field talking about an subject), but not in this case. Secret account 00:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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