Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bar and grill restaurants


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

List of bar and grill restaurants

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Arbitrary list; violates WP:NOT - Wikipedia should not be used for arbitrary lists of "stuff" mhking (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. Right now the list includes only chains, not individual outlets (that said, I did not check size and notability of each entry). This limitation of scope make possible comprehensive, not arbitrary coverage at least for North America. Pity, the whole set of "lists of chains" (Category:Lists of restaurants) is in poor shape, so redirect (to where?) is not a good choice. NVO (talk) 21:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There is absolutly no reason that this article should be deleted because it is not a list of just chains. It tells information about those chains before the list of chains. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenfan13 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, overbroad, arbitrary, and pointless. Is this article supposed to be about chains only?  It doesn't say that, and limiting the content in that way would make it even more arbitrary.  As it is, I don't know of any definable criterion that makes something a "bar and grill."  Just having a bar and a grill located on the premises?  That'll include Italian restaurants, Japanese steakhouses, and all kinds of other stuff.  Or does it only count if a place calls itself "Bar and Grill"?  Then why are Longhorn Steakhouse and, of all things, Olive Garden on the list?  This is as unmanageable a concept as List of dive bars would be.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 05:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I think that the article was supposed to be about chains only.  Surprisingly, we don't have an article called Bar and grill, although that term is about as trendy as having a neon sign that says "Fine Food".  Generally, bar and grill describes thousands of individual restaurants (rather than chains) that have, as Glen notes, a bar and a grill, and in some cases serve beer and cooked food without the benefit of either a bar or a grill.  Although Applebee's tries desperately to package itself as a "neighborhood bar and grill", most of the restaurants on the list don't.  I won't say "keep" because it's simply an unsourced list of blue words.  Mandsford (talk) 13:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a case of putting the cart before the horse; make the article on Bar and grill first, source it appropriately, and then assess whether a list article can be created. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.