Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles fought during Ramadan by Muslims (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  05:34, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

List of battles fought during Ramadan by Muslims
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Mere list of battles asserted to have been fought by Muslims during Ramadan. Previous AFD (2007) ended with no consensus. Talk page has questions about validity of article raised over a period of years. Article violates WP:COATRACK, WP:OR and WP:SYNTH in that it is a list of battles during a particular month that offers no explanation of why battles occurring over a period of 14 centuries should be grouped by month, no justification explaining why this topic merits an article, and no sources establishing that the listing of battles fought during Ramadan is a topic. Battles, of course, are fought in every month of the year.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:07, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a list not an article, policies listed above don't apply the same or even at all, as articles. As noted in the previous AfD, Muslims battling during Ramadan does have significance so I see no reason to delete this list. Sepsis II (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * But how do we delimit a list described as :"This is a list of battles fought during Ramadan by Muslim people."? Note, for example, that there are Muslims in most modern armies.   Would we include every battle fought by a British Imperial Army in which a Muslim soldier fought?  Only those battles during which all-Muslim units were deployed?  No battles fought by the Briish Army because the King/Queen of The U.K. was a non-Muslim?   The list itself as it stands has very fuzzy definitions of battle, with sentences like "2000....widespread fighting continued between Indian forces and the Pakistan sponsored terrorists. Jammu-Kashmir." and: "2003 to 2007 - Iraq War. Fighting took place over the course of four Ramadans."  This raises the question of: What is a battle?  Lists need definition.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:16, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - besides the impossible inclusion criteria, there's no evidence that this has enough coverage as a group to meet WP:LISTN. ansh 666 22:48, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nominator. Original research and arbitrary criteria for inclusion. Nykterinos (talk) 22:29, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nominator. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 22:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 22:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 22:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as original research. If sources can be presented on "battles fought during Ramadan by Muslims" then a list article may be justified. If no secondary sources describe this as a concept, then this is WP:coat rack and this list is unnecessary. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:03, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree with that reasoning even though I agree with the deletion, many articles in Wikipedia have "List of battles involving [insert country, kingdom]", Battles of Muslims are waaaaay to broad. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 09:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete It is not a separate and notable issue. -- Seyyed(t-c) 08:39, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


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