Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bhangra bands


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, noting that it's important the article is improved, possibly in line with Elen of the Roads's suggestions. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang  The clock is ticking....  03:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

List of bhangra bands

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This is purported to be a list of (previously identified as notable) bands in the bhangra musical genre. This whole list has been tainted by who has added various acts that he has in his music collection, and there are really only 11 articles that should be on the list in the first place. This whole thing is unreferenced anyway, and we should just get rid of the whole article to get rid of Noxiousnews's influence on the project. — Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 03:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: What exactly is wrong with removing all of the non-notable bands and leaving the 11 that belong on there? Bhangra is a very notable and widespread musical genre and I see no reason why a list of bhangra bands shouldn't exist. We don't delete articles because they've been "tainted" or to get rid of someone's "influence". Silver  seren C 05:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I attempted to do that. But someone with major ownership issues reverted me.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 06:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Deletion of the page is not the venue by which to solve editing disputes. Obviously some bands belong on that list—at least those with blue link Wikipedia articles. The Independent is a reliable source and surely there others; see WP:BEFORE and sour grapes. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Do note that i've just started adding these sources a moment ago, they weren't there when Ryulong nominated the article for deletion. Silver  seren C 05:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Silver seren, there's no need to reference the ones that are blue linked. We already have articles on them that say they are notable Bhangra bands.  The problem is all the redlinks, some of which - as shown below aren't even Bhangra bands, and some of them don't have any evidence that they even exist, other than the creator's word for it that they do.Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment ... except that Asian Dub Foundation and Cornershop aren't bhangra bands per se in a million years - both may be influenced by it being of Asian background. However, the linked source for ADF (that the only source we could find was in Spanish says something) says that they show some influences of it along with a long list of other styles. And although the Independent's source suggests, again, there are elements of bhangra there, this does not equate to being a bhangra band.  I suspect that the editor responsible for those sources has just put "*name of band* bhangra" into Google and not really read the actual sources.  I note that our article for Cornershop does not even mention the word bhangra once, and whilst it is included in ADF's genre list, the lead sentence is "(ADF) are a British electronica band that plays a mix of rapcore, dub, dancehall and ragga, also using rock instruments, acknowledging a punk influence."  That's not a bhangra band.  Black Kite (t) (c) 06:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We can expect this deletion request to be attacked by the article's primary author and WP:OWNer in 24 hours, as he believes that any sort of attempt to fix his errors is ethnocentrism. There may be bhangra bands. We may have articles on them. But this list is either going to be way too small or full of way too many red links. Categorization is a better option.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 06:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have any real issue with such a list (some of the bands on it are clearly both bhangra and notable), but I do have an issue with it being inaccurate due to lazy sourcing. I have removed ADF and Cornershop. Black Kite (t) (c) 09:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - but take back to being only notable bands and drastically prune.Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:41, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also support idea of rename to make it inclusive of solo acts etc as well as bandsElen of the Roads (talk) 21:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I have pruned it back to include only bands that have Wikipedia entries, similar to how I keep trying to maintain the list of Caribbean bands. If they are truly notable, then create a validly-sourced article about the band, THEN add it to the list.  The list itself needs no ref's, as the details should be apparent on the band's own article.  I have watchlisted this article ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 12:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep I have added some more notable bands to the list to flesh it out a bit more, going off of a top bhangra bands website. Question: Do singular musicians still count as bands? If not, then we'll need to create a List of bhangra musicians article and most the one that were musicians that I added there. Silver  seren C 14:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's a question for the list article's talk page ... although my preference would be to simply rename the article to replace "bands" with "acts", or some comparable rephrasing that would cover both groups, if possible. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I have no objection to the list existing - my concern is ensuring that the list follows Wikipedia guidelines and policies, which is why I had initiated the discussion at WP:ANI. The issues I see are content related, and center around a single uncivil user with severe ownership issues who repeatedly restores original research content, and who makes false accusations against other editors and the Wikipedia project as a whole rather than address the original research concerns that have been repeatedly brought up (see the article talk page, ANI discussion, and the user's talk page). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep A very useable, and alphabeticly organized list, just because its not popular in the US doesn't mean it should be deleted, perhaps a rename List of Bhangra bands, capitalize Bhangra. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 19:01, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Since a number of the entries are solo, I would go with List of Bhangra artists. Black Kite (t) (c) 20:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed, artists is a better term to include solo musicians and bands in it. Silver  seren C 22:00, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * agree with phoenix, if you want a list of asian rappers or asian djs please make a seperate article. This article should stay "list of Bhangra Bands"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 22:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per Bwilkins and Barek. The issue is with a single editor, not the article itself. Renaming per Black Kite is a good idea, too. -- Gogo Dodo (talk)

DELETE: The list was created to list LIVE PERFORMING bands, not studio acts. Entries like JOSH, ms scandalous, punjabi mc are equivalent to throwing lady gaga in a list of death metal bands. In that case the list should be deleted because it would be giving out erroneous information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 19:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

in a releated note, the entry for the most notable bhangra labels, Multitone Records, was nominated for deletion by the same people who are trying to alter/add incorrect entries/change the nature of 'list of bhangra bands'article. I have since added various references articles from magazines such as billboard to prove notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 20:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a list of all bands. It does not matter if they are live or studio acts. The fact is that they perform bhangra music and that is why they are on the list. Lady Gaga has never performed death metal so it does not make sense to place her on a list of death metal acts. Ms Scandalous has performed bhangra music so she should be on a list of bhangra music acts.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 21:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

ms scandalous has not performed bhangra music. definition of 'performing music' is to create music in front of an audience. She clearly has not, and neither have JOSH. Furthermore she is a rapper who belongs in a list of female rappers, not list of bhangra bands (band = 2 or more individuals) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 21:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I hope this discussion serves as an instructional guide on general music and bhangra in particular to the party c pants posting here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 21:32, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

"Ms Scandalous has performed bhangra music" I crack up everytime I read that sentence. Funniest thing on wikipedia. Yea I heard kenny rogers performed bhangra too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 22:02, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The addition of non performing solo artists (ms scandalous, abrar ul haque, punjabi mc, JOSH) into a "list of bands" constitutes vandalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 22:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

vandalism by Barek and Ryulong should result in removal of editing capabilities from their account for a period of 24 hours — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 22:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know anthing about bhangra. I am not claiming that I do. All I know is that I removed several items from the list for people who did not have articles on Wikipedia and at the time the list was so small that it seemed unnecessary to have on this project.
 * And there is no difference between "performing music" and "recording music". If Ms Scandalous has been recorded music in a studio and that recording can seemingly be called "bhangra", then she is a bhangra musician. You do not get to choose who is and who is not a bhangra musician by saying that if someone has not performed live for an audience, that excludes them from being on this list.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 22:16, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

"there is no difference between "performing music" and "recording music"" you would be surprised by how many people would have issue with that subjective assertion. Looped sampling in a computer software, is not performance of music. She is a female rapper. Rap is not bhangra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 23:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

nowhere else on wikipedia would solo artists be inserted into a "list of bands", yet here bands are being deleted and solo artists, many of whome are rappers or hip hop djs, are being inserted in their place. makes no sense atall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noxiousnews (talk • contribs) 23:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We are discussing here whether or not the article should be moved to "list of bhangra [something more inclusive than bands]" as well. And, again, you do not get to decide what is and what is not bhangra just because someone has not physically been in front of an audience singing or playing music.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 23:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.