Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of black rock musicians


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Sr13 03:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

List of black rock musicians

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Way I look at it, violates WP:NOT (Indiscriminate collection of info): It's the same as listing portuguese books (an AfD which resulted in a delete): the list will never be complete and will only get more unwieldy to edit. David Fuchs 00:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This is listcruft, and is redundant given that WP already has an "African American rock musicians" category which IMHO is a better means of indexing the subject in question. Groupthink 00:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that I created that category only yesterday. But I agree that the list article is terrible. — Loadmaster 17:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Not all black rock musicians are African American rock musicians, so the existance of Category:African American rock musicians doesn't make this list redundant. I wouldn't support keeping it though. Masaruemoto 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's absolutely correct, and I apologize for the lapse, but like you said, doesn't invalidate my point. Groupthink 01:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See my comment below, about renaming the category to be more inclusive. — Loadmaster 17:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Evb-wiki 01:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete; it's listcruft. Useight 02:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Listcruft, a lot of the musicians have red links or aren't really notable.-- $U IT  08:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom-&mdash; arf! 09:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete there are a lot of reasons why this shouldn't be here. 1st of all, it's an un-managable list.  2nd, what constitutes inclusion of this list?  Obviously if you are African-American, but what else, besides that?  There are many people missing from this list that should be.  It just doesn't make sense to have this list.  -- su mn ji m  talk with me·changes 14:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Unmaintainable list.--Blueboy96 15:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. and all.--JayJasper 16:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I created the Category:African American rock musicians just yesterday, then found the List article. I tried cleaning it up, but it's still a mess, and appears to be a spam magnet. So I vote that we delete the List article and replace it with the Category. Note also that I'm considering renaming the category to Category:Black rock musicians, which would include all non-American black rock performers as well (see the talk page). — Loadmaster 17:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The category has been renamed, so more fuel for the fire to delete this list article. — Loadmaster 17:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Since the individual musicians have nothing in common other than their skin colour, this list is an indiscriminate collection of information. As rightly stated this should be a category instead. A1octopus 18:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, per WP:NOT. Not useful list. Carlosguitar 20:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for much of the reasons articulated above. Carlossuarez46 21:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, This is a crucial list in black, African American, and rock history. What list are officially complete? That's the main point of lists expanding them. They share way more than a skin color and race and history, they share the love for rock music and being a minority in the punk-rock and rock music scene, like James Spooner, Afropunk shows. It is important to keep because as I state it signifies important rock bands in the black minority, like black Academy award winners, black inventors and so on important musicians in black rock music history. A lot may not understand the important list like this stand because for black minorities in the rock music scene this list is crucial. And I am really curious just a couple of the many who are missing from the list? And I think the list can be very well maintained.-- Migospia † ♥ 03:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Migospia, it doesn't matter that it can be well maintained. I could post an article about myself and maintain it REALLY well, but it would violate a policy, just as this article violates a different policy. This article violates WP:NOT - specifically, WP:NOT. An article may be helpful, but that doesn't mean it belongs in the encyclopedia. I remember a while back a few editors were extremely upset that an afd was successful in deleting an article of suicide hotlines - which may have been really helpful, and which may have been easy to maintain - but most, including myself, although since I did not have an account then I did not vote, voted to delete because it violated the same policy that this article violates.-- daniel  folsom  03:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind - I did vote for it - the second nomination (which I actually nominated) was unaminous - the first one though ...)-- daniel  folsom  04:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine since there is a cat-- Migospia † ♥ 04:10, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * MUST KEEP THIS LIST I can't believe people are talking about deleting this page. This is such an important page. I'm a music journalist, I was working on an article and this is the ONLY place i could find this information. The music industry has rendered black rock musicians invisible. Who cares if it's never going to be complete, there are many many lists on here that are not complete. But this list must be maintained for history's sake. To prove that black rock musicians exist. Don't understand what policy this list could possibly violate. I see information or categories listed on here all the time according to race. They have lists of people who are on particular labels, they have lists of musicians from particular countries, etc. What is so "terrible" about this list? Someone said: the individual musicians have nothing in common other than their skin colour--that's right!! and because of their skin colour they are being discriminated against in the music industry. I think there should be a category and a list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.108.150 (talk • contribs)
 * Would it be so terrible to have to go to Category:Black rock musicians instead of this page? The cat page has all of the information this last has, but it's superior because it's automagicaly updated as people are added to the category.  What does utility does this list offer WP that the cat page doesn't? Groupthink 08:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I am concerned about that because of the musician does not have their own and not all the members of a band is black, a list is so much better, I mean list like this exsist all the time and even less clearer list, no real reason for delete it can be maintaied and does not seem to violate anything-- Migospia † ♥ 08:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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