Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of book-based war films (wars before 1775)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 04:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

List of book-based war films (wars before 1775)

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These articles are a series of lists which were originally the work of one editor, who has been indefinitely blocked since 2012. Other editors have contributed, but they still bear the idiosyncracies of the original editor. Specifically, these are lists of films that are about wars, based on books (not necessarily books about those wars), organized by war and in some cases by subtopics within each war. If you are looking for films about a particular war, you will only find those films here if the film is deemed to have been based on a book (whether or not the film credits the book as a source). Some books which have allegedly been "frequently filmed" are broken out into their own subsections, although in some cases those books have only one film listed, or no films listed at all.

The lists have few references; most of the items in the References section are not citations, but honors received by a film or a book, such as "Inducted into the U.S. National Film Registry in 1997" or "Nominated for the Tony Award for Best Revival in 1985." The reference cited for Carnival in Flanders, a film about the Occupation of the Spanish Netherlands during the Eighty Years' War, provides the following source: "According to French Wikipédia, the film is discussed by Tuesday Weld and Steve McQueen in Le Kid de Cincinnati (The Cincinnati Kid)." If you understand how that is relevant, you have a better understanding of the article creator than I do, not to mention that Wikipedias are generally unreliable sources. The article creator did not shy away from editorial commentary; in reference to Francis the Talking Mule, the List of book-based war films (1927–1945 wars) says, "For another film about talking animals risking hoof and wing, see Valiant." The reference attached to this sentence says, "Valiant is a little intense for younger children." What does Valiant have to do with this article anyway, when it's not based on a book?

In short, I question whether these lists can ever be made into anything useful to Wikipedia readers and recommend deletion of all of them.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are part of a similar set:

--Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:NLIST. There are two lists like this out there, one by Ranker and something called The Archive, but Ranker makes up lists of everything under the sun and I don't know how much weight The Archive should be given. Also, since when are plays and poems considered books? The Illiad? Which one, the 203 BC deluxe 500th anniversary scroll edition or the 178 BC paperback? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep all I erased most of the red links on the first one listed. If its valid for a category, then its valid for a list.  The list shows far more information than a category, making it far more useful in this case.  These are all valid navigational lists.  Just eliminate any entries that don't link to their own Wikipedia articles.   D r e a m Focus  20:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * By your rationale, Category:1950 births should have a corresponding list. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all "If its valid for a category, then its valid for a list." is categorically and laughably untrue. Moreover, I question whether we should have the category for this either! This is quite the unencyclopedic cross-categorization to be a movie – which is based off a book – which is about a war. It's fair that we have Spanish–American_War, Irish_War_of_Independence, and List of World War I films, for example, but I don't see the notability of listing those films that use a book (non-fiction or novel, short story or memoir) as intermediate source material. Reywas92Talk 03:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I am also nominating the list of lists for these pages:

--Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:NLIST, ridiculous cross-categorization. Mztourist (talk) 04:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all as noncompliant with NLIST and NOTDIR. Avilich (talk) 13:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Avilich and others.Intothatdarkness 15:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


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