Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of books by or about Donald Trump


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The result was moved to Bibliography of Donald Trump. This is a couple of days early, but I'm also closing the RfD, and the outcome looks clear here. The close does not preclude any of the other recommendations here, besides deletion. --BDD (talk) 15:53, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

List of books by or about Donald Trump

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Nomination via Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_September_14, where a bunch of redirects from Trump's book titles is being discussed. I think that list needs at least a split, but after that it is not clear the two halves should be kept, so we can as well AfD the whole. My opinion is that the "books by Trump" part should be kept and moved to List of books by Donald Trump, as a WP:SIZESPLIT of Donald Trump, while "books about Trump" should be scrapped since most of those have no real coverage. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging, who commented on the RfD page on the splitting issue. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Nominator's comment: just to make it clear, my recommendation is to move to List of books by Donald Trump and trim. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:27, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete WP:NOTDIR. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 12:17, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a directory. The books by him can be on his main article. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 13:18, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Books about him could be there too. I don't see any reason why not.Borock (talk) 14:14, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge to Donald Trump. This information is usually at the bottom of a person's main article.Borock (talk) 14:13, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep. The main article about Donald Trump was getting too long (and was tagged as such for quite a while) so this is a valid spinoff article per WP:Summary style.  It's no different from List of books by or about Hillary Rodham Clinton.Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:56, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep Don't merge back to Donald Trump, which is already oversized; this is an excellent example of why we do spinoffs. I would go along with the suggestion to rename it to "Books by Donald Trump" and eliminate the books about him. There are no references to establish which books about him are noteworthy and which ones aren't (which must apply to many on the list, he is an easy target for wannabe authors). Better yet, keep it as "by and about" but require an outside/independent reference to list a book "about" him. --MelanieN (talk) 15:09, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. By "noteworthy" (as opposed to "notable" in Wikipedia's sense) I mean that it has garnered coverage from at least one independent reliable source. I don't mean to restrict the list to books notable enough to have their own article. If this is the result, somebody ping me and I will undertake to prune/source the list of books "about" him down to those which have at least one source. --MelanieN (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, but move to Bibliography of Donald Trump: Reasonable content fork. p  b  p  15:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep and move to Bibliography of Donald Trump. I don't have any comment about whether the list of works by Trump is a valid spinout. Seems fine to me, but I don't think that's a necessary conclusion to come to in order to keep this. Regardless of whether his main article includes a list of his works, there are enough works about him that he seems like a valid topic for a bibliography (which could also include works by him). Bibliographies are established types of lists on Wikipedia, so a simple WP:NOTDIRECTORY argument doesn't make any sense. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 16:52, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'd be fine with a page move, but the content itself should be kept and expanded as appropriate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:41, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep – Better keep it here than merge to an already very long article. Also, not every book needs to have independent notability; that's why it's just a list. Oppose trimming. Approve title change to Bibliography of Donald Trump. — JFG talk 12:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge – As per WP:NOTDIR. If other articles are too long, deal with it. Objective3000 (talk) 00:35, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Bibliography of Donald Trump but make sure the books about Trump have at least one independent reliable source per User:MelanieN - or meet GNG or WP:BKCRIT. --Steve Quinn (talk) 01:31, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how to phrase this, now that I'm thinking about it, but I also support a move and trimming of contents to Writings by Donald Trump or List of published works by Donald Trump or such. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:47, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Bibliography of Donald Trump. Per Anythingyouwant and MelanieN, content should be kept. Per Rhododendrites, page should be renamed. "Bibliography of..." is a more encyclopedic title.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


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