Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of breweries, wineries, and distilleries in Utah (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:02, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

List of breweries, wineries, and distilleries in Utah
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Disputed WP:PROD. There are almost no notable entries in this list. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The article doesn't met the criteria for serving an encyclopedic purpose according to WP:LIST with it essentially being a redlink directory for non-notable wineries, breweries and distilleries that will largely stay forever redlinked since they do not pass the criteria of WP:GNG. The truly notable wineries can be included in referenced prose discussions on Utah wine and I see no reason why Brewing in Utah or Distilling in Utah articles couldn't be created that would include a link to any notable breweries or distilleries in the state. AgneCheese/Wine 01:17, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'll note that List of wineries, breweries, and distilleries in New Jersey started out similar to this one, with only one or two clearly notable items in the list, and being a linkfarm to everything else as well. I think it had an AFD too although under another title. Now it's been vastly improved and all the entities listed have their own Wikipedia articles. Are all the wineries on this list truly not notable, or is this a similar case where further development is needed? ~Amatulić (talk) 15:56, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep - But remove the external links and add references from reliable sources other than the company's website. With a little work references can be found; those with no references can be removed, the remaining should notable enough to leave (with a red-link for the eventual creation of individual articles). -- Zyxw (talk)


 * Comment: Also see the related AFD discussions at Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Connecticut (which also includes AFDs for Idaho, Iowa, New Mexico, and Tennessee), plus the individual state AFDs listed below. -- Zyxw (talk) 05:44, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Massachusetts
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Mississippi
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in New Hampshire
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Nevada
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Oklahoma
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in South Carolina


 * Keep I agree the links on this page need work, but it is not hard to find beer books and New York Times articles about breweries, they are one of the largest sectors of non-durable manufacturing growing in the United States - hence notable. Per WP:CSC, lists may contain nonnotable entries; in fact - they may be set up to contain nothing but non-notable entries.   These lists are valid for navigation, although consensus may end up renaming or shaping them differently at some point in the future.  I updated parts of several of these lists including List of breweries in California. It was not hard and I learned that beer brewing is one of the largest non-durable industries in the U.S. and growing at a rate of up to 20% per year. Therefore I think the entire topic is relevant. I have worked on many lists in Wiki before; WP:CSC does not demand citations on each line and states that a list may contain non-notable entries.  Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. This is a sub-article of List of breweries in the United States.  If we wish it deleted it is that article that should be nominated with a centralised discussion.  Having 50 separate discussions is hopeless and risks contradictory decisions.  Lists with non-notable entries are permitted per WP:CSC.  Spinning  Spark  19:09, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:CSC. Also, I agree with that the external links should be removed and the list need to be updated with references. The problems with the list are fixable through cleanup and development. -    t  u coxn \ talk 21:03, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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