Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Massachusetts


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Per results of related AfDs and the fact that if these are deletable they need to be discussed as an entire group The Bushranger One ping only 03:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

List of breweries in Massachusetts

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Disputed WP:PROD. This is basically a linkspam farm. There are almost no notable entries in this list. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - per nom. List is nothing more than a directory and has no encyclopedic value. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 02:12, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom. Despite the article's assertion, this isn't a "historical" list at all -- it's a linkfarm for current breweries and microbreweries.  A proper, sourced, non-linked list would meet requirements.  This isn't it.   Ravenswing   03:43, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Decidedly a violation of WP:Not a directory. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:17, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The article starts by telling us that "In 1637, Robert Sedgewick began operation of the first brewery in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, just 17 years after the Mayflower landed in 1620." This is clearly historical material and so refutes the claims made above.  The topic is the subject of at least one book: Massachusetts Breweries.  This shows that the topic passes WP:LISTN and that we are not short of material with which to develop it.  Our editing policy therefore applies. Andrew (talk) 12:41, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename/merge to Beer in Massachusetts per WP:PRESERVE. Prose sections in the article contain information certainly worth preserving about breweries in Massachusetts, including historical and contemporary information. That said, the directory style within the article needs to go per WP:LINKFARM, and the lists should be limited to entries that already have Wikipedia articles or at least that are verified. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Normally I would say that merging and re-naming would be fine. The problem in this case is that the non-linkspam material is all referenced to unreliable sources. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've struck part of my !vote above. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Valid navigational function. Carrite (talk) 21:14, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - But remove the external links and add references from reliable sources other than the company's website. With a little work references can be found; those with no references can be removed, the remaining should notable enough to leave (with a red-link for the eventual creation of individual articles). -- Zyxw (talk)


 * Comment: Also see the related AFD discussions at Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Connecticut (which also includes AFDs for Idaho, Iowa, New Mexico, and Tennessee), plus the individual state AFDs listed below. -- Zyxw (talk) 05:43, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Mississippi
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in New Hampshire
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Nevada
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Oklahoma
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries in South Carolina
 * Articles for deletion/List of breweries, wineries, and distilleries in Utah (2nd nomination)


 * Keep These lists are valid for navigation.  It is not hard to add links to them.  It probably takes less time to go web hunting and add links than it does to set up deletion nominations for twelve lists.  I updated parts of several of these lists including List of breweries in California. It was not hard and I learned that beer brewing is one of the largest non-durable industries in the U.S. and growing at a rate of up to 20% per year. Therefore I think the entire topic is relevant. I have worked on many lists in Wiki before and never encountered this sort of situation because WP:CSC does not demand citations on each line and states that a list may contain non-notable entries.  Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. This is a sub-article of List of breweries in the United States.  If we wish it deleted it is that article that should be nominated with a centralised discussion.  Having 50 separate discussions is hopeless and risks contradictory decisions.  Lists with non-notable entries are permitted per WP:CSC.  Spinning  Spark  19:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. The linkfarm aspect is unpleasant but it is not a valid reason for AFD. Linkfarms can be removed without deleting the article.  Spinning  Spark  19:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:CSC. Also, I agree with that the external links should be removed and the list need to be updated with references. The problems with this list are fixable through cleanup and development. -    t  u coxn \ talk 21:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge. Removing NN breweries is for normal editing, not AfD. Bearian (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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