Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of breweries in New Hampshire


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Per consensus in the discussion below that any problems with the list are fixable through cleanup and development, on top of the nominator's withdrawal. postdlf (talk) 16:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

List of breweries in New Hampshire

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Disputed WP:PROD. There are almost no notable entries in this list. Article is basically a linkspam farm. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination. There are a lot of issues with the brewery lists, but I've changed my mind and I think this one can be better fixed through editing/moving/merger. Would an uninvolved editor close this as speedy keep please? Thanks, IronGargoyle (talk) 19:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - While I agree that the list sections themselves are not encyclopedic and basically just WP:ADVERT linkfarms, there is some worthwhile content in this article. I would recommend moving this article to Brewing in New Hampshire and just removing the list aspect of it while leaving the referenced prose. AgneCheese/Wine 19:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. First of all, the list sections as look as there are any notable bnreweries in the lists -- are justifiable WP lists on the same basis as any other. The text section is certainly acceptable. &#39;DGG (at NYPL)&#39; (talk) 22:23, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I would support a move per Agne71. To address DGG's point though, there is only one borderline notable New Hampshire brewery on the list. The rest are non-notable or are branches of a larger corporate organization (e.g., Red Hook, Anheiser Bush). IronGargoyle (talk) 22:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can understand where you, IronGargoyle, are coming from, but this page gets many visits and I have been religiously keeping it up to date and as accurate as humanly possible over the past few years. I have tried my best to keep it as neutral as possible, along with it being unbiased and self-promoting.  For Christ's sake, yes, it contains a list, but an accurate list just to express common, yet fragmented, knowledge in one specific place.  If this page is "wrong" for Wikipedia why has it not been removed by the countless previous Wikipedia viewers?  I have a passion for craft beer in New Hampshire and am neither personally connected (or will ever be) to any of these breweries.  I owe service to none.  I strictly want to advocate for relevant and accurate data on a specific industry.  There is no other location online that has as comprehensive and accurate data in regards to the brewing industry in New Hampshire.  If this page must be deleted how can WE modify it to contain the current data, but not offend the likes of you, IronGargoyle?  And furthermore, I do not know who you are, where you reside, or what you know about the brewing industry, but IronGargoyle, many of the breweries listed on this page are notable and industry relevant craft breweries.  I use to feel that the freedom of press in which WIkipedia provided was an exemplar in expanding a wider and accurate knowledge base.  The fact that some "come-along" can just pop on to a page that has been years active and non-offending for years and just delete others hard work saddens me.  So...thanks IronGargoyle for trying to, and probably, deleting something that I have taken pride in maintaining...thanks.  And with deletion of this page will come the deactivation of my Wikipedia account, my utter denouncement of Wikipedia, and the resurrection of this page on another, more refined, media-based website.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GustavChad (talk • contribs) 02:56, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sir, you don't need to take anything that happens on Wikipedia personally. As I, and others, have noted there are certainly some worthwhile content in this article that follows Wikipedia's guidelines and contributes to Wikipedia's mission of being a global encyclopedia. The last word is key, we're an encyclopedia, not a WP:DIRECTORY. So while an encyclopedic entry on the history and culture surrounding Brewing in New Hampshire is very worthwhile, a phonebook style directory of breweries is no more notable than a List of pizza parlors in New Hampshire or List of car washes in New Hampshire. Do notable breweries in New Hampshire exist? Of course, and they should have articles that pass WP:GNG created and be mentioned in an article about brewing in New Hampshire. We don't have to delete the entire article but some significant work does need to be done and we shouldn't take personally the removal of an material since none of us WP:OWN our edits anyways. AgneCheese/Wine 04:02, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Move to Brewing in New Hampshire. GustavChad's idea for "resurrection of this page on another, more refined, media-based website" is admirable and I would recommend it merely because I think directories are a great benefit to society, whether or not they survive as lists on Wikipedia. I _love_ Wikipedia, but it is rarely comprehensive and accurate, particularly so in the case of lists of businesses. Keep up the good work here and elsewhere. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:PRESERVE. The prose sections in the article (History, Beers) are worthy of preservation, and blue-linked articles exist in the lists. A solution is to limit the lists to verified entries and those that already have a Wikipedia article. The Beer festivals section would benefit from the external links within the section being changed to inline citations, using the links as primary sources for verification. Northamerica1000(talk) 03:52, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Hampshire-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: Also see the related AFD discussions at Articles for deletion/List of breweries in Connecticut (which also includes AFDs for Idaho, Iowa, New Mexico, and Tennessee), plus the individual state AFDs listed below. -- Zyxw (talk) 05:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.