Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of broadcasters for Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee


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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

List of broadcasters for Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee

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Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:GNG. This is an indiscriminate listing of broadcasters that serves little encyclopedia value. It fails the general notability guideline, as the list itself is not discussed by significant independent coverage. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk)  @ 20:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 20:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete for being so specific that nobody has listified them before, i.e. WP:SALAT. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:47, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:IAR because deleting this article will make Wikipedia better.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRUFT. – PeeJay 22:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails notability standard for lists. No significant coverage in independent sources dealing with this group. Cbl62 (talk) 22:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh really, Milwaukee County Stadium History, 2019 marks the 25th anniversary of the Packers leaving Milwaukee County Stadium, County Stadium - History, Photos & More of the former NFL ..., Green Bay Packers Milwaukee BornonJune8 (talk) 4:28, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * We know that the Packers played a few times a year at Milwaukee County Stadium from 1952-1994, but unless you look one-by-one in the individual Packers seasonal articles, there isn't exactly a linear documentation of the exact dates of which they played in Milwaukee. BornonJune8 (talk) 4:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Coverage of Packers games in Milwaukee is discussed at reasonably great lengths here. BornonJune8 (talk) 4:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There is literally not a single mention of the TV coverage of the games in Milwaukee in that section..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * BornonJune8 is the creator of the contested article. -The Gnome (talk) 10:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as cruft -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Even if there isn't currently any significant TV coverage of Packers games in Milwaukee, why should we hold ourselves back from trying to add any in the first place? Somebody had to broadcast the games in Milwaukee afterall. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:42, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia is not a place to originate information or aggregations of information. If no other source talks about the broadcasters of the Packers’ games in Milwaukee in such general terms, we absolutely shouldn’t take it upon ourselves to do so. – PeeJay 09:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment The irony here is that I think there could be a decent article written about the history of the Packers' time in Milwaukee, but by narrowly tailoring it to include just a list of the television broadcasters whoever created this article has probably missed the notability mark here. (For a similar example, Bills Toronto Series remains an article, while List of Bills Toronto Series broadcasters was properly deleted and redirected to the main Bills Toronto Series article.) Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Somewhat agree . I think List of Green Bay Packers stadiums, History of the Green Bay Packers, Green Bay Packers seasons, and Milwaukee County Stadium are more appropriate for discussing the Packers' time in Milwaukee. I don't want to pre-judge, but an article like Green Bay Packers in Milwaukee or Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee would seem like a stretch. « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 15:16, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * How exactly would an individual article about the Green Bay Packers' time in Milwaukee "be a stretch" (that's purely subjective)!? Milwaukee County Stadium for instance, while it hosted their Milwaukee based games there, was only representative of a small portion of its history. It's primarily known and remembered for being the home of the Milwaukee Braves and later Brewers. And simply pointing to the History of the Packers and Green Bay Packers seasons articles respectively, is too broad if we're going to talk about their years in Milwaukee, which is about 41 out of their 101 year history as a franchise. BornonJune8 (talk) 11:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Just off the cuff, I'd say an article about the Green Bay Packers time in Milwaukee would be of interest and notable. Also kind of outside the scope of this discussion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As noted, that's not really what is being discussed right now. That said, I clearly stated "I don't want to pre-judge", meaning that I would have to see the article after it is written and its relevant sources to have a clear opinion. Personally, I don't know how much there is to actually talk about, other than "The Packers played some home games in Milwaukee for a number of years to make more money". But who knows? I would be happy to be proven wrong.  « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 14:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Television contracts have been stable since the 70s, so it's either been WITI/CBS-Fox for an NFC opponent (and once WCGV-TV during the Fox transition), or WTMJ-TV/NBC for an AFC opponent before '98. Just not really needed here.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:01, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * We may know the networks for sure, but not exactly the announcers who called said games. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:40, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Even if TV contracts for the NFL have been stable since the 1970s, that doesn't take away the fact that the Packers also played games in Milwaukee two decades prior to that. To put things into perspective, what about prior to 1956, which was CBS' first year at covering the NFL? And it wasn't until about the mid-1960s that NFL teams could have their own individual TV contract. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, if you could keep your comments in "threads" (see WP:THREAD) it makes it much easier to have a discussion and reply to specific comments. I moved your comments to the proper threads so that each reply matches the original posting. Also, as the page creator, please feel free to formally make your reasoning on why the article should not be deleted. This is commonly done by starting a new thread with *Oppose .... « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 14:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with those who have suggested that we might construct a notable article about the Packers' history in Milwaukee. But the article that has been nominated for deletion is far too narrow in scope for our encyclopedia. Lepricavark (talk) 03:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete on account of it being too inclusive. We should have more lists with this list's items split among right-handed & left-handed broadcasters, bald & non-bald, above & below 50 years of age, sunny and non-sunny disposition, etc. -The Gnome (talk) 10:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


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