Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Belper


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ‑Scottywong | spout _ 17:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Belper

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Wikipedia isn't a travel guide - this belongs on Wikivoyage, not here Davey 2010   Talk  02:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete, Transwiki to Wikivoyage or Wikia, or otherwise remove from Wikipedia. This is an omnishambles of a nomination but the policy Wikipedia is not a travel guide does apply here, as does "Wikipedia is not a directory" on the same policy page. Various routes have been to AfD but there's no real strategy as to which are taken to AfD and which we retain. Because of the pendulum swing from editors voting keep and delete there was an RFC at the village pump which equally could not draw a single consensus for keeping or deleting but advised that each list should be nominated individually. This article is only likely to ever be sourced to primary sources (either 1st party the bus company, or 3rd party the local authority) it's unlikely that any secondary sources will be found to establish either the individual routes or the list of routes as notable and meeting the GNG. London is the rare alternative where there are reliable secondary sources but even it should be replaced by a prose article rather than a list with a list only to specifically notable routes, but the debate for that is probably some way off. Also broadly through nomination, there has been a clear consensus formed for deletion with multiple bus route list articles deleted in the very recent past (past 6 months) this compares to prior to that time when there was no consensus whatsoever with most AfDs tied and the occasional few closing either way.  Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 18:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep It's referenced, it's in scope, it's not acting like a travel guide. Further justification for deletion please.  Rcsprinter  (warn)  @ 19:53, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, as I said it's referenced to primary sources that are not suitable for establishing the notability of a subject. All articles should be based primarily on Secondary Sources or to a lesser extent Tertiary sources. If It's not guiding me to travel, then why is it telling me which route I can take to get to Derby, Bakewell, Matlock Ripley or others? The level of detail does not stop it being a guide to travel and it is directly comparable to lists of hotels or restaurants mentioned in the policy. No further justification is required as you fail to rule out the policies already mentioned. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 21:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete or transwiki. The article fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:PRIMARY which says material only from primary sources should be avoided. Further justification for deletion needed? I don't think so.--Charles (talk) 22:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, transwiki, for all the reasons above. The best place for content like this is Wikia in, for example, the UK Travel Wiki. --Bob Re-born (talk) 06:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable and impossible to maintain using reliable, third party sources. There are already two sentences on the Belper page about buses. They even have their own little sub-section. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:21, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Kill off this and all other bus route articles - or transwikify to Wikitravel. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't do the second option....  Rcsprinter  (shout)  @ 17:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No technical reason why it couldn't be done, but it would require permission of the Admins on WikiTravel to access Special:Import, better to transwiki to a foundation or wikia project. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 08:31, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I read that as WikiVoyage; that's what isn't allowed.  Rcsprinter  (Gimme a message)  @ 11:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Who said it's not allowed? The discussion I had on their village pump seemed to show a slight consensus for such lists with two situations mentioned specifically - If they're going to be expanded into an article on popular tourist routes. (For example, an article explaining exactly which bus numbers, stops, and transfers to use to get to Wicked Awesome Tourist Site from Well-Known and Easily Accessible Landmark.) or if the information is difficult to find, spread out over many pages, confusing, or not available in English on the bus operator site. But as I've said before Wikivoyage is still operating under a tight scope which was the scope of WikiTravel, The foundation's stated aim is far wider than that (to make all travel information available) and at some point they will need to consider aligning with the foundations aims. Either way lots of wikivoyage articles have bus route information that could be suitable merge targets if the information is cleaned filtered so that only essential information remains. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 12:26, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a bus to or from Belper, given that one would have to refer to the bus company's web site to confirm that the bus service still exists, what days it runs, what time it runs, and where to get on the bus. Wilbysuffolk (Talk to me!) 10:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete—fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTTRAVEL. Lists like these should be transwikied to Wikivoyage rather than left on Wikipedia.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep They are notable equally to other forms of transport which are never deleted. Primary sources are perfectly valid for this as they are  more reliable. It isn't a subject that secondary sources would mention but are still notable.  Adam Mugliston  talk  20:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTTRAVEL. Beagel (talk) 14:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
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