Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Central Suffolk (3rd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Central Suffolk
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I can find no evidence that there is such a place as Central Suffolk with an upper case C. The article is an aggregation of local route articles of the type of which several have recently been unanimously deleted. I can find no evidence of significant secondary discussion of these groups of routes. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTTRAVEL at the least. Charles (talk) 00:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * And the case of a letter has no relation to this, this isn't school. Adam Mugliston  Talk  22:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You are missing the point there a bit - Charles is pointing out that central Suffolk with an uppercase C would indicate an actual place or district officially recognised to be a place with defined borders and therefore its own set of bus routes.  Rcsprinter  (yak)  @ 21:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTDIR,and WP:NOTTRAVEL. If possible candidate; transwiki to Wikivoyage. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 10:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as non notable. I would strongly suggest articles like this are unsuitable for transwiki-ing. Having spent an hour or two on Friday rewriting this article and trying to wade through the mess of changed operators, routes, numbers and areas it's now very clear to me that bus routes get out of date very, very quickly. But articles about them aren't, in the main, looked after in the long term. I'm increasingly convinced that they're an absolute mess and have no place on any wiki project. Now, a prose article, sure. Sections in the articles about specific areas, sure. But lists of actual routes? Hardly ever. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Transwiki to Wikivoyage, a more suitable Wikimedia foundation website for this type of content. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:16, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to a single list of bus routes in Suffolk along with all the other smaller lists of buses scattered around Suffolk.  Rcsprinter  (yak)  @ 21:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Assuming that significant coverage in reliable secondary sources not closely affiliated to the subject could be found to establish notability for such an article it is still hard to see how it could be compatible with WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL.--Charles (talk) 11:19, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A list of bus routes for Suffolk as a whole would be even more impossible to keep anywhere near up to date. Trust me, I redid this Central Suffolk article after it was abandoned and out of date - it's a nightmare and almost impossible to find up to date secondary sources on. Now, a prose article - something like Buses in Suffolk (or, perhaps, Public Transport in Suffolk - that's possible to do. Rather like Buses in Lowestoft - which is unlikely to ever be much more than a stub btw. For that sort of article it's relatively possible to find secondary sources and, I imagine, suggest some form of notability for the subject. But a list? For the whole of Suffolk? Really, really, really bad idea. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:53, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per Blue Square Thing. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom (fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTTRAVEL, WP:NOTDIR). Also per Blue Square Thing, it might not fail WP:GNG if it were for a whole county, but that would be completely unmaintainable. --Storkk (talk) 11:15, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I am in agreement that this article should be deleted under WP:NOTDIR. In regards to transwiki, I'm not entirely sure if making our problem-their problem is a reasonable thing. If you look at Wikivoyage they rarely include bus routes unless its a highly notable area such as New York or London. I think the fundamental problem in that bus routes change so rapidly that having an article on them ultimately leaves Wikipedia with an article that is wrong. Mkdw talk 00:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
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