Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Cornwall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Cornwall

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Wikipedia isn't a travel guide - this belongs on Wikivoyage, not here Davey 2010   Talk  02:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This isn't a travel guide and doesn't fit into Wikivoyages scope. Mark999 (talk) 04:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's more suited to WV than here, WP is an encyclopaedia not a WP:NOTDIR Davey 2010   Talk  04:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Lists of bus routes are routine information that is often subject to change and they are, in fact, travel-guide-like information, not encyclopaedic information. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:11, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Often it doesn't change that much, 3-4 times a year of which most are very minor changes. And so are airport and airline articles listing destinations and are encyclopaedic information. Mark999 (talk) 09:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Other stuff exists is not a valid argument at AfD.--Charles (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no indication that this subject meets WP:GNG. It also fails WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTTRAVEL and as it is entirely copied from a single primary source WP:PRIMARY.--Charles (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, Transwiki to Wikivoyage or Wikia, or otherwise remove from Wikipedia. This is an omnishambles of a nomination but the policy Wikipedia is not a travel guide does apply here, as does "Wikipedia is not a directory" on the same policy page. Various routes have been to AfD but there's no real strategy as to which are taken to AfD and which we retain. Because of the pendulum swing from editors voting keep and delete there was an RFC at the village pump which equally could not draw a single consensus for keeping or deleting but advised that each list should be nominated individually. This article is unsourced, it's only likely to ever be sourced to primary sources (either 1st party the bus company, or 3rd party the local authority) it's unlikely that any secondary sources will be found to establish either the individual routes or the list of routes as notable and meeting the GNG. London is the rare alternative where there are reliable secondary sources but even it should be replaced by a prose article rather than a list with a list only to specifically notable routes, but the debate for that is probably some way off. Also broadly through nomination, there has been a clear consensus formed for deletion with multiple bus route list articles deleted in the very recent past (past 6 months) this compares to prior to that time when there was no consensus whatsoever with most AfDs tied and the occasional few closing either way. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 18:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable and impossible to maintain. The Transport in Cornwall article could have its section on buses improving however, with a summary of major operators and important routes and any external links necessary to take from here. That would allow the useful content to remain - and might be a good Redirect target in this case. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Kill off this and all other bus route articles - or transwikify to Wikitravel. The best place to obtain this information should be the Passenger Transport Executive's website, which THEY can be sure to maintain.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

http://traveline.info/ is the correct source and a secondary source the bus operators. Mark999 (talk) 20:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC) It is NOT impossible to maintain services dont change that often! Mark999 (talk) 20:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I don't understand how the source you give can possibly be cited to provide details as it seems to require a search based, I presume, on an underlying database rather than providing information directly. I'm not convinced that's citable.


 * Secondly, I tried to bring one of these articles up to speed and update it fairly recently. It had been updated within the previous six months iirc. It was littered with omissions, routes that had been closed or changed this route, routes which had, seemingly, been renumbered and ones that had been added. The thought was that it was up to date - it wasn't. The experience, for a small article with only 20-30 routes iirc, convinced me that these articles can never be reliably up to date given standard wikipedia activity patterns. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a bus in Cornwall, given that one would have to refer to the bus company's web site to confirm that the bus service still exists, what days it runs, what time it runs, and where to get on the bus. Wilbysuffolk (Talk to me!) 11:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep They are notable equally to other forms of transport which are never deleted. Primary sources are perfectly valid for this as they are  more reliable. It isn't a subject that secondary sources would mention but are still notable.  Adam Mugliston  talk  21:26, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete—fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTTRAVEL. Lists like these should be transwikied to Wikivoyage rather than left on Wikipedia.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
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