Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Downham Market


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While the count is slightly split leaning towards deleting, those that wish the article to be kept don't really give a compelling rationale. Comparing Brooklyn and London to Downham Market does not add up. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Downham Market

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Normal scheduled bus routes are not normally considered notable as per Articles for deletion/Common outcomes. It appears to be original research and is unlikely to have reliable secondary sources. It is not in line with the policy that WP is not a travel guide. Charles (talk) 18:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. Most of the bus routes there are theoretically operated by comapnies, which are not well known and we don't know if the routes actually operated. Traveline is sometimes wrong. Thus meaning there's only 2 routes which we can trust to be operated. Is this page worth 2 bus routes?  &#39;&#39;&#39;Adam mugliston&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 08:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

The page is like List of bus routes in Ely, It has very few bus routes but well operated. Anyway the bus routes do operate I looked at other websites to see if traveline is correct. Wilbysuffolk (talk) 16:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge/broaden scope. While individual bus routes are almost never notable enough for a standalone article, lists of bus routes usually are if there are enough of them (and the information can be sourced, etc). There looks to be just enough routes here to make it worthwhile keeping, but it would probably be better to merge it or expand its scope to include a wider area (e.g. possibly the King's Lynn and West Norfolk district or Norfolk) as there will likely be several rural routes that would not sustain their own article. Thryduulf (talk) 08:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete A list of bus routes is not suitable for an encyclopaedia article, no matter how many routes are on the list. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Precedent suggests otherwise, cf List of bus routes in Greater Manchester, List of bus routes in Derbyshire, List of bus routes in Brooklyn, List of bus routes in Bury St. Edmunds & Newmarket, List of current Metro Local bus routes (Los Angeles), List of MTA Maryland bus routes (Baltimore), Category:Lists of bus routes all exist. See also Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in London (2nd nomination) (Result: Keep), Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in London (Result: Keep), Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in the Thames Valley (Result: Delete as a duplicate of List of bus routes in Slough), Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Tallinn (Result: Keep). This is not a WP:WAX argument that these others exist therefore this should be kept, but merely proving that lists of bus routes can be suitable for an encyclopaedia article. If you believe this list is not encyclopaedic, please explain with reference to this article not a generic statement. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thryduulf - might be worth adding this list of common AfD outcomes to the transportation section as you helpfully point out that typically these articles are deemed as keepers. MLA (talk) 23:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea, I've done just that - see Common outcomes. Thryduulf (talk) 02:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete, a list of bus routes is indeed not notable - TBloemink  service desk 09:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see my above comment, lists of bus routes can be notable. Why do you think this list of bus routes is not? Thryduulf (talk) 12:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep useful encyclopedic information per Thryduulf. MLA (talk) 21:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Useful to whom? WP is not supposed to be a directory or a guide.--Charles (talk) 22:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The bus route = travel guide argument doesn't make any sense as travel guides don't contain bus routes. The public transport of an area is notable in its collective form, interesting, and useful. MLA (talk) 23:02, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep This page has 6 well served bus routes (More than every 5 days) and a few litter ones. Wilbysuffolk (talk) 07:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a travel guide or a directory. 74.198.9.234 (talk) 03:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * MLA has commented above that this is not a travel guide as such guides do not contain lists of bus routes, please could you explain why you think differently? Please could you also explain why you think this is a directory? WP:NOTDIRECTORY lists eight types of directory, and as far as I can this is not any of them. Thryduulf (talk) 08:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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