Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Greater Manchester


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The result was The result was   delete. Content can be userfied by request. Shii (tock) 06:28, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Greater Manchester

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Wikipedia isn't travel guide - this belongs on Wikivoyage, not here Davey 2010   Talk  03:09, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to either Transport in Manchester or Transport for Greater Manchester or a stand alone article on Buses in Manchester if someone wants to create it. The lead section is one of the better ones I've seen although much of the information from that is essentially repeated in the two articles we already have on transport in the city. If there is hoards of historical information about buses (that will have interesting and reliable sources for it no doubt) then a stand lone article on buses to go with those articles might be worthwhile. But the list is simply impossible to maintain due to the nature of buses and will lack reliable third party sourcing for the majority of the information in it. Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:23, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete—fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTTRAVEL. Lists like these should be transwikied to Wikivoyage rather than left on Wikipedia.  Imzadi 1979  →   00:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep They are notable equally to other forms of transport which are never deleted. Primary sources are perfectly valid for this as they are  more reliable. It isn't a subject that secondary sources would mention but are still notable.  Adam Mugliston  talk  20:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTTRAVEL. Beagel (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a bus in Greater Manchester, given that one would have to refer to the bus company's web site to confirm that the bus service still exists, what days it runs, what time it runs, and where to get on the bus. Wilbysuffolk (Talk to me!) 22:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, Transwiki to Wikivoyage or Wikia, or otherwise remove from Wikipedia. The policy Wikipedia is not a travel guide does apply here, as does "Wikipedia is not a directory" on the same policy page. Various routes have been to AfD but there's no real strategy as to which are taken to AfD and which we retain. Because of the pendulum swing from editors voting keep and delete there was an RFC at the village pump which equally could not draw a single consensus for keeping or deleting but advised that each list should be nominated individually. This article is only likely to ever be sourced to primary sources (either 1st party the bus company, or 3rd party the local authority) it's unlikely that any secondary sources will be found to establish either the individual routes or the list of routes as notable and meeting the GNG. London is the rare alternative where there are reliable secondary sources but even it should be replaced by a prose article rather than a list with a list only to specifically notable routes, but the debate for that is probably some way off. Also broadly through nomination, there has been a clear consensus formed for deletion with multiple bus route list articles deleted in the very recent past (past 6 months) this compares to prior to that time when there was no consensus whatsoever with most AfDs tied and the occasional few closing either way. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 11:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:N, WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL. It is unfortunate that so many of these lists are on at the same time but they are no more notable than a list of hotels or a list of convenience stores.--Charles (talk) 20:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I disagree with transwiki. Making our problem Wikivoyage's problem is not a good idea. Bus routes are continuously updated and changed, but not continuously maintained on wiki's. They've been having a large problem with this. Furthermore, all the relevant information is all under WP:NOTTRAVEL. Mkdw talk 03:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Transwikify to wikivoyage then Delete -- all these bus routes articles should be killed off wholesale in WP, as non-encyclopedic: WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL. There is a particular difficulty with them, in that they need maintenance, because bus operators start new services or discontinue them.  Once the original editor (creator) loses interest, there is no guarantee that they will be adequately maintained.  In contrast the bus operators and Passenger Transport Executives (and similar authorities, such as county councils) can be expected to keep their own websites up to date.  In contrast, a railway (or tram system) has fixed infrastructure that cannot easily be changed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikivoyage specifically states that "transports systems generally do not have articles unless there is a compelling reason for an exception". Most bus route Wikivoyage articles are deleted through VfD (their AfD) process and a mere link to the official bus routes website is listed on whatever city or region's main article. This is what I'm talking about making our problem, their problem, when it should simply be deleted. Recommended something be moved over there with out being too familiar with their guidelines. Mkdw talk 23:19, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


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