Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Lincolnshire


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ‑Scottywong | spout _ 17:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Lincolnshire

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Wikipedia isn't a travel guide - this belongs on Wikivoyage, not here Davey 2010   Talk  02:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For various reasons
 * No policy is quoted to support the assertion isn't a travel guide.
 * The list is valuable to users, it has been visited ~4-5 times a day before the nomination, which is reasonably often for such a location.
 * The list has existed for 3 years without previous attempts to afd. It is presumably at least a bit welcome on Wikipedia.
 * A discussion of the idea of moving these lists to Wikivoyage on talk:WikiProject Buses was generally unenthuseastic. This looks like an attempt to force the issue without consensus,
 * Not withstanding the view that other pages are no guide to notability, it seems odd to pick on this list when the project at Template:Bus routes in the UK is already so well filled and obviously encyclopaedic. Looks like an attempt to pick off a soft target first.  Why not afd List of bus routes in London first?
 * I can't find any 'list of bus routes' style articles on wikivoyage. (There aare a few bus route subheads, but the page seems more like an electronic lonely planet than an electronic bradshaws.)  The articles mainly seem to be about destinations, and largely mimic the location articles here.  No-one has suggested moving Skegness there
 * --Robert EA Harvey (talk) 08:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, Transwiki to Wikivoyage or Wikia, or otherwise remove from Wikipedia. This is an omnishambles of a nomination but the first response for retaining isn't much better.
 * The policy Wikipedia is not a travel guide does apply here, as does "Wikipedia is not a directory" on the same policy page.
 * Being visited ~4-5 times a day doesn't count for much when the google bot scans all articles at least once a day as do various other webcrawlers so you're lucky if 1 actual human visits per day and they're probably looking for information like timetables that they'll have to follow up with a visit to the bus company website.
 * Various routes have been to AfD but there's no real strategy as to which are taken to AfD and which we retain. Because of the pendulum swing from editors voting keep and delete there was an RFC at the village pump which equally could not draw a single consensus for keeping or deleting but advised that each list should be nominated individually.
 * The list at Template:Bus routes in the UK is full, but very few of those articles comply with policy - Specifically this article is unsourced, it's only likely to ever be sourced to primary sources (either 1st party the bus company, or 3rd party the local authority) it's unlikely that any secondary sources will be found to establish either the individual routes or the list of routes as notable and meeting the GNG. London is the rare alternative where there are reliable secondary sources but even it should be replaced by a prose article rather than a list with a list only to specifically notable routes, but the debate for that is probably some way off. The latter point also apperas to fall short of the other stuff exists argument of AfDs.
 * there is Bus travel in Israel on Wikivoyage but the problem is that WV's content has been operating on a very tight scope as part of WikiTravel now that it is part of Wikimedia it can adopt the foundations wider aims and including useful travel information as well.
 * Also broadly through nomination, there has been a clear consensus formed for deletion with multiple bus route list articles deleted in the very recent past (past 6 months) this compares to prior to that time when there was no consensus whatsoever with most AfDs tied and the occasional few closing either way. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 17:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete or transwiki. Stuart has summed up the situation admirably. The article fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL. Also probably WP:PRIMARY which says material only from primary sources should be avoided. If Wikitravel do not want these lists UK Transport Wiki at Wikia is a good place for them.--Charles (talk) 18:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, transwiki, for all the reasons above. The best place for content like this is Wikia in, for example, the UK Travel Wiki. --Bob Re-born (talk) 06:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete with the possibility of a redirect to Transport in Lincolnshire - non-notable and impossible to reliably maintain list. Wikia seems to be awfully keen to have these lists as far as I can tell - that becomes SEP when they become out of date. The Transport in Lincolnshire article already has a fair bit on buses in it. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Kill off this and all other bus route articles - or transwikify to Wikitravel. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a bus in Lincolnshire, given that one would have to refer to the bus company's web site to confirm that the bus service still exists, what days it runs, what time it runs, and where to get on the bus. Wilbysuffolk (Talk to me!) 11:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete—fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTTRAVEL. Lists like these should be transwikied to Wikivoyage rather than left on Wikipedia.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep They are notable equally to other forms of transport which are never deleted. Primary sources are perfectly valid for this as they are  more reliable. It isn't a subject that secondary sources would mention but are still notable.  Adam Mugliston  talk  20:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTTRAVEL. Beagel (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
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