Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Petersfield & Bishop's Waltham (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Petersfield and Bishop's Waltham do not qualify as major cities, and without reliable sources showing that their individual services pass the GNG they cannot be kept. If anyone wants to try a merge I can provide some of the content, but I don't think its necessary. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Petersfield & Bishop's Waltham
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Not Notable - Not currently sourced - Google Keyword Tool reveals that this Term has never been searched for -  Web Hits for the Article show very little activity (89 views in July) - Only 12 bus routes shown - I've moved it onto Wikia which is more designed for these pages - Covered by List of bus routes in Hampshire - Wikipedia is not a travel guide or directory Wilbysuffolk (Talk to me!) 16:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Like with the other bus list afds, this is a perfectly valid standalone list of routes of a major bus system in a major city. Bus routes are integral parts of the workings of a cities and that is very encyclopedic.  I see "WP is not a directory" quotes frequently in bus route nominations but there is actually nothing in WP:DIRECTORY that bans list articles, nor list articles of bus routes. This isn't a "repositories of loosely associated topics" or anything of the like and this list is very discriminate.  The exact wikipedia article title page not being the best search term is not a basis for deleting an article.  A g-search for "petersfield bus routes" or "Bishop's Waltham bus routes" brings up this page.--Oakshade (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC) Edit: City's not major, but still a city. --Oakshade (talk) 21:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you mean "cities" but these are small towns not cities.--Charles (talk) 21:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I consider 13,000+ a city, with a combination of the two over 20,000. Certainly "small town" would be inaccurate. --Oakshade (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no combined population. The two places are far apart and other than both being in Hampshire have little in common. If you looked at the details before posting a kneejerk cut and paste response to the deletion proposal you would not get into this muddle.--Charles (talk) 11:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - What major city? Petersfield is a country town of 13,000 people and Bishop's Waltham a small town with half that number. The two places are a long way apart and I can see no logical reason for lumping them together. These routes are not part of the infrastructure of a city but non-notable rural services connecting towns and villages. There are unlikely to be independently published reliable secondary sources that discuss these routes as a group to establish notability as a stand-alone list per WP:Notability. The article fails WP:N, WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL at the least. As the nominator says, the material is now on Wikia for anyone who really wants to see it and that is a more appropriate place for it.--Charles (talk) 20:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of bus routes in Hampshire: The charts in this article as well as all others on that list are not very long. All can easily be merged into one article. Currently, List of bus routes in Hampshire is useless because it duplicates Template:Lists of bus routes in Hampshire. If a merge is not performed, either the article or template should be deleted. The Legendary Rangr (talk) 22:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 07:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  TheSpecialUser TSU 01:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete - per Wilby and Charles. There's not any notability or sourcing here. Lists of things that "Exist" is a project for Somone else not for an encyclopaedia, an encyclopaedia should be explaining why these things exist with reference to research conducted independently - that doesn't happen here and I don't see that it can be achieved with available information on these routes. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 12:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oakshade. Lists of bus routes are quite common on Wikipedia and useful. The only problem with the article is that it lacks citations, but this could easily be fixed. —JmaJeremy  ✆  ✎  21:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSUSEFUL, WP:OTHERSTUFF. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The only citations likely to be available here will be primary source bus company websites and will do nothing to establish notability. Useful for whom? Someone wanting to catch a bus? Wikipedia is not where people should be coming to look for travel info.--Charles (talk) 23:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Wikipedia is not a directory of bus routes. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.