Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Tyne and Wear


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. If anyone wants to transwiki this or any similar pages I would be happy to userfy it to them. J04n(talk page) 22:26, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Tyne and Wear

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Wikipedia isn't travel guide - this belongs on Wikivoyage, not here Davey 2010   Talk  15:58, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep They are notable equally to other forms of transport which are never deleted. Primary sources are perfectly valid for this as they are  more reliable. It isn't a subject that secondary sources would mention but are still notable.  Adam Mugliston  talk  21:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


 * After two and a half years of this conversation, you still don't seem to understand that notability (as far as wikipedia is concerned) means "has been noted by" that is a secondary source must have seen the primary information analysed it and drawn some conclusion. Primary sources just state the existence of and there are primary sources recording the existence of many things but those things like bus routes have not been noted by secondary sources and do not get lists of them published. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-notable and difficult or impossible to maintain reliably using third party sources. The "references" currently in the article are external links in the main as they simply link to repositories of timetables. That's quite useful - as an external link from the suitable location article - but is lousy as a reference. Articles such as Newcastle upon Tyne have good quality transport sections which include information on buses. These are much better in terms of maintainability to a massive list like this. Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:13, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, Transwiki to Wikivoyage or Wikia, or otherwise remove from Wikipedia. The policy Wikipedia is not a travel guide does apply here, as does "Wikipedia is not a directory" on the same policy page. Various routes have been to AfD but there's no real strategy as to which are taken to AfD and which we retain. Because of the pendulum swing from editors voting keep and delete there was an RFC at the village pump which equally could not draw a single consensus for keeping or deleting but advised that each list should be nominated individually. This article is only likely to ever be sourced to primary sources (either 1st party the bus company, or 3rd party the local authority) it's unlikely that any secondary sources will be found to establish either the individual routes or the list of routes as notable and meeting the GNG. London is the rare alternative where there are reliable secondary sources but even it should be replaced by a prose article rather than a list with a list only to specifically notable routes, but the debate for that is probably some way off. Also broadly through nomination, there has been a clear consensus formed for deletion with multiple bus route list articles deleted in the very recent past (past 6 months) this compares to prior to that time when there was no consensus whatsoever with most AfDs tied and the occasional few closing either way. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a bus in Tyne and Wear, given that one would have to refer to the bus company's web site to confirm that the bus service still exists, what days it runs, what time it runs, and where to get on the bus. Wilbysuffolk (Talk to me!) 17:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete—fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTTRAVEL. Lists like these should be transwikied to Wikivoyage rather than left on Wikipedia.  Imzadi 1979  →   00:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTTRAVEL. Beagel (talk) 14:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Transwikify to wikivoyage then Delete -- all these bus routes articles should be killed off wholesale in WP, as non-encyclopedic: WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL. There is a particular difficulty with them, in that they need maintenance, because bus operators start new services or discontinue them.  Once the original editor (creator) loses interest, there is no guarantee that they will be adequately maintained.  In contrast the bus operators and Passenger Transport Executives (and similar authorities, such as county councils) can be expected to keep their own websites up to date.  In contrast, a railway (or tram system) has fixed infrastructure that cannot easily be changed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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