Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of buses


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. v/r - TP 17:22, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

List of buses

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Redundant to Template:Buses, which is at the bottom of just about every bus-related page. It really seems superfluous to have a well-used template at the bottom of a lot of pages, and a list saying the exact same thing. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Does Template:Buses list every bus model? NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.74.132 (talk) 14:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep The list, especially in sortable table form, can be very useful to visitors. I think bus enthusiasts will like it and help expand it. It certainly does not contain the same info as the navboxes. The information could never be presented equally well with categories. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Further: It's useful, not only because visitors are able to compare bus brands, such as year of manufacture, country of origin, etc., but are able to compare years, manufacturers, and countries at a glance. Looking at List of car brands, I found it very interesting to see how many different brands a given nation has produced, and in which year. How many produced would give even more insight into their economy, independence, and state of technological advancement, etc. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If it were just a list of bus brands, it might be comparable to List of car brands; but this article lists various models for each manufacturer too. There are a huge number of different bus models, and the article lists a very small number. It might be better to restrict the article to just the manufacturers, with the various models listed on the article about the manufacturer, as has been done at Bristol Commercial Vehicles. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You make a very good point. Please raise this at talk. Many thanks for the input. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: Nominator should review Manual of Style/Lists. Redundancy is explained at Categories, lists, and navigation templates: "Developers of these redundant systems should not compete against each other in a destructive manner, such as by nominating the complementary work of their colleagues to be deleted just because they overlap."  See also WP:NOTDUP: "...arguing that a Category or List is duplicative of the other in a deletion debate is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided." Viriditas (talk) 19:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This article is needed as a backbone to most of the pages linked on it, and would not do just to have a template as a list of buses.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  20:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The template is for types of buses, this list contains models of buses, something completely different. Someoneanother 21:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP Debate has already been sorted, please remove AfD!--213.107.74.132 (talk) 13:32, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 16:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 16:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I added all the buses I could find which have articles. There are about 300+, I think. So, not too big. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems like a useful "list of..." article. However, the scope is not clear from the title and the intro sentences do not help. Need to make it explicit if the topic is make and model of the vehicles themselves (as it appears I think?) of the vehicle vs bus lines ("what buses get me across town?" would not have the same meaning), etc. DMacks (talk) 20:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You should change this to List of bus models.--213.107.74.132 (talk) 08:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I agree! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:33, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Very useful for identifying an unknown model.--Shantavira|feed me 16:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * When does this AfD go?--213.107.74.132 (talk) 07:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * When someone who has read the policy on how deletion-discussions works and is not involved in the discussion itself decides so. DMacks (talk) 07:50, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
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