Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cancelled games for Sony consoles


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 22:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

List of cancelled games for Sony consoles

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This is a followup AfD to Articles for deletion/List of cancelled games for Microsoft consoles which was closed by a panel as Delete. Previously a group AfD including List of cancelled video games, List of video games cancelled for Xbox consoles, List of video games cancelled for Nintendo consoles, List of video games cancelled for Sega consoles, List of video games cancelled for PlayStation consoles was closed as Delete.

For the same reasons given in the above AfDs, the list is not notable, fails WP:LISTN does not have WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS discussing this as a group. References are to individual items, not SIGCOV as a group.

Since this is a simple list, the operative part of LISTN is, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list.". Countless AfDs have affirmed a consensus that, barring some extenuating facts particular to a list, for a list to be notable it must be discussed as a group as stated in LISTN.

Regarding WP:LISTN This is not a case of a complex and cross-categorization list, it does not cross index multiple categories. If the article was "List of System A games also released on System B you have two categories crossed: A list for System A and another list for System B; you compare them and include (or exclude as the case may be) items based on the criteria established in the lead. This article is a simple list: cancelled games for Microsoft consoles. No other category is to cross indexed with it.

But if it is insisted that this is a cross-categorization list, then the list also fails WP:NOTDIR: "non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations, such as "people from ethnic / cultural / religious group X employed by organization Y" or "restaurants specializing in food type X in city Y". Cross-categories such as these are not considered a sufficient basis for creating an article, unless the intersection of those categories is in some way a culturally significant phenomenon."  // Timothy ::  talk  19:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  19:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  19:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per the same arguments as for the Xbox AfD. Where necessary, games for individual consoles can be merged to the lists for those consoles. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 19:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, per same arguments as the Xbox AfD. -- ferret (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for the same reasons as the Xbox AfD. No sources talk about these cancelled games as a group or why they're an important aspect of any of these systems. Namcokid  47  (Contribs) 19:54, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: On another one of the AfDs it was pointed out that the previous deletes are not exactly the same. In the prior discussions, there was one AfD that used the company (most recent), four that used the console (older noms), and one that was a simple List of canceled games (older). I think their is a basic consensus from prior AfDs that lists of canceled games in general are usually not notable, which is why I thought conflating them was acceptable, but wanted to clairify this.
 * Delete per nom. Weird cross-categorization. TarkusAB talk / contrib 02:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge: While the cross-categorisation is a problem present, erasing notable cancelled games for that reason alone is excessive. Best to merge them to the respective platforms. Deltasim (talk) 14:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I will point out that Deltasim has split this article into separate ones (eg List of cancelled PlayStation video games List of cancelled PlayStation 2 video games), which is inappropriate given this is an ongoing AFD, and against the rationale put forth, that these lists are not well defined to start based on the Microsoft list closure. --M asem (t) 16:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Splitting them into separate articles is just for the purpose of preserving what would be eventually deleted and sourced information. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve those lists. Deltasim (talk) 06:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There is also a List of cancelled PlayStation Vita games that has the same problems and isn't filtered for notability. Anyway, I would support a merge per above. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 20:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.