Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of car crash songs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus.  Citi Cat   ♫ 18:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

List of car crash songs

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Note that a previous nomination ended in "no consensus" only because it was part of a mass nomination that split closing decisions Articles for deletion/List of songs about weather. I believe it still fits the criteria put forth on that nomination. I cannot find much of anything that suggests a "car-crash song" is a legitimate type of song Bulldog123 13:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per WP:NOT and WP:NOT, non-notable juncture. And for leaving out "Thunderbird" by Steve Azar. Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 14:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * delete trivia collection Mukadderat 15:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:NOT. Crazysuit 02:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Car crash songs were a fad in 1950s and 60s rock'n'roll. Particularly in 1964.  This was part of the development of youth subculture in the US.  No doubt someone could sorce an article on this and demonstrate notability if they wanted to. -MrFizyx 18:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Article is pretty minimal right now, but (1) this is a theme of the teenage tragedy song and (2) "car crashes as a theme in popular culture" is doubtless a topic needing to be developed in connection with Automobile safety. I've tagged this in the article as a dynamic list and modified the introductory text.--orlady 23:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Then make a list of teenage tragedy songs. Bulldog123 03:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have limited knowledge of popular music, but after spending some time adding to the article, I continue to feel that this list is the kernel of a better article that is waiting to be created. The car crash theme ("vehicle accident" would be a more accurate description) recurs in modern popular music, and is not limited to the teen tragedy genre, or even to tragedy. For example, some recent songs on the car crash theme present the views of survivors who are grateful to be alive -- some mention the safety features that saved them, while others are about the personal transformations (including religious conversions) that resulted from survival. I believe that the searing experiences of vehicle crashes (including the trauma of sudden tragic loss, the trauma of survival, the transformative experience of miraculous survival of a sudden mishap, and reminders of the personal responsibility of the driver) are reflected in art because of their significance in modern life. Let's keep the list until it becomes transformed into a better article.--orlady 14:19, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I think I voted in favor of keeping, simply because, as MrFizyz (good to see ya again) notes, this was a fad in 50s and 60s music, with some songs like "Last Kiss" being remade more recently. Ballads for teenagers have been about things like breaking up, getting in trouble, or getting in a car crash (or, as in the case of "Last Kiss", all three).  Even though the last AfD was a mass nomination, I recall that this was discussed more than the weather songs; I'd like to see the prior debate linked in here, with jury to be admonished to disregard the testimony about the weather.  Mandsford 02:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In fairness, the previous debate is linked in the nomination. -MrFizyx 13:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I knew that the nominator had alerted us to it, but I missed the obvious.  Anyone can click on the link, provided by nominator, to see the old debate Mandsford 14:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete although not technically so titled, this is a "songs about" list, and devoid of such guidance telling us how much "about" the subject the song must be and WP:RSes telling us each song so listed is at least that much about the subject matter. Apparently the list despite its title includes motorcycle crashes as well, if kept it should be retitled to reflect that topic creep. Carlossuarez46 21:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Move to Car crash song and write an actual article about the phenomenon. Zocky | picture popups 01:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per comments and work done by orlady. A move to Car crash song sounds reasonable as well. -MrFizyx 20:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Update: I've also now done some work to address the original research concerns. All but a handful of entries now have at least one reference.  The list is also now a rather pretty wiki-table. -MrFizyx 17:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per MrFizyx. Mathmo Talk 22:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.