Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of carols at the Nine Lessons and Carols, King's College Chapel


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The result was   keep. T. Canens (talk) 05:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

List of carols at the Nine Lessons and Carols, King&
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The main problem here is this is badly afflicted with recentism. The college's archive of service bulletins only goes back to 1997, which leaves out eighty years of the service's history. Many of the carols have been done since nearly the beginning; others (e.g. the Boris Ord setting of "Adam Lay Ybounden") have repeated many times. Surely there are many in past years which have not been repeated of late. It seems unlikely that this article will ever be very accurate, and "Carols sung at the festival since 1997" seems arbitrary and not notable. Mangoe (talk) 04:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. It seems that what is being called for his an improvement, rather than a deletion. I think many people would feel it a great shame to delete an article so intimately connected with an essential part of Christmas  - my own advice is to improve the article, rather than delete it. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 10:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would agree with that, except that I doubt it can be sufficiently improved. Once someone dumps all of the 1997 to present bulletins in, then what? Where is the rest of the info going to come from? I don't think saying "well, improve it" is a reasonable response without some evident source of information to improve it with. Mangoe (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't it the case, though, that many articles and lists sit around for a while before one or more editors decide to take them on and improve them? Why does it have to be improved immediately? This list isn't so flawed that it requires rapid deletion. In fact, the existing content is fairly well referenced. (I should mention that I was the original creator.) — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 19:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What I'm saying is that I'm confident that the information can't be improved. Maybe King's will put up a complete listing, and then again, it's not impossible that they don't know themselves. As it stands, the best improvement it can get is to repeat the entire program contents from 1997 onward; but I don't think it will ever deliver on the promise of its title. Mangoe (talk) 19:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: I agree with ACEOREVIVED. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Merge with Nine Lessons and Carols. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 22:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No strong objection to that, but the whole point of creating a separate list was to avoid bloating the original article. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:58, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep -- The service has been broadcast by BBC for many years. This is thus not just a random list.  The problem seems to be with authenticating all the content, such as date of first performance, where carols have not been specially composed.  One solution might be to purge the list, so that it only included commissioned works.  As far back as I remember, "Once in Royal David's City" has always been part of the service: when first?  Do we need some one to do Primary Research in BBC archives?  CErtainly the article has problems at present, but that implies improvement not deletion.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A list of commissioned works already appears in "Nine Lessons and Carols". — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 16:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per ACEOREVIVED, Peterkingiron, et al.  This service has been replicated by many other cathedrals, particularly the Cathedral of All Saints, Albany, New York. Bearian (talk) 20:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not an article about the service itself, but specifically aobut its history at Kings. Mangoe (talk) 02:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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