Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cemeteries in Somerset County, New Jersey (second nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete Mr.  Z- man  05:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

List of cemeteries in Somerset County, New Jersey
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This was originally deleted at an AfD last year. With the consent of the original closer, DRV overturned to determine if consensus has changed over time. (Not the strongest DRV rationale, but I won't argue with the original deleter.) Deletion is on the table, as the list lacks sources, and might be called excessively granular. Xoloz 01:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep the article provides sources re notable cemeteries in the and serves as a central point for information on burials in the county. Lists serve purposes unavailable with use of categories, including allowing entries without articles to be listed and providing additional information (e.g., regarding location) that is impossible to provide in a category. The notability standard for such lists is satisfied. Alansohn 02:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, most of these cemeteries also has no claim of notabilty, I don't see why a category isn't helpful for these kind of lists, and as for Alansohn, wikipedia is not an address directory nither for locations of cementeries. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 02:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. However, this article is a very clearly defined, discriminate and finite listing of information, that is exactly what the intended function of such articles, as specified at WP:LISTS. WP:NOT is simply NOT relevant here. Do you have any valid justification for deletion of this article? Alansohn 02:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Explain how it's a "very clearly defined, discriminate and finite listing of information", all it says it the cemeteries and the town of the county where the cemeteries are located, that doesn't give much Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 02:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets standards for lists. Used by the New Jersey geography workgroup and the Cemetery workgroups. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 02:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Being used by a workgroup isn't a reason for keeping Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 02:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep If the list was on the main County page, it would be a keep, so why not. It's probably too big for the main page, so making a new linked page is probably good housekeeping.MarkBul 03:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not assert notability of cemeteries in ... Somerset County, New Jersey. Possibly better served by categories? OSbornarf 04:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete or move to project space. In the original AFD and this one I see all the poor arguments for and against deleting, such as: "Listcruft" "I like it" "I don't like it" "Other stuff exists" "We worked hard on it" "It is useful" "Indiscriminate"(no, a list of stuff I saw on the sidewalk while I was walking to work would be indiscriminate. To be on this list it must be a cemetary in a certain geographic location). Major questions: 1)Is the "Political Graveyard," which is the only source, even a reliable and independent source, to show that this satisfies WP:V? 2)Are all counties or other geographic units in the world entitled to similar lists, based on cemetary lists maintained by the governmental units or genealogical societies, in the eyes of "Keep" !voters, or is this county special because of the Famous Dead People not mentioned in the list? Checking WP:LISTS I do not see that this satisfies the first two possibiilities. It does not fit "Information: lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists." It does not fit "Navigation: Lists can be used as a table of contents." In the third area, "Development" I note "any lists which exist primarily for development or maintenance purposes (such as a list of red link articles needed) should be in project or user space not the main space, if the list is not otherwise encyclopedic." The guideline seems to indicate this list belongs in project space rather than main space, being a directory of mostly non-notable cemetaries. (edited)Edison 15:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the list is now ordered and grouped by location and provides information that cannot be provided in any other format, such as a category. There is not a single red link here, and dozens of articles on cemeteries in the area are forthcoming, with links to be added (in blue, of course), as additional articles are created. The slippery slope argument -- now everyone will want a list for their cemeteries -- doesn't work; the list complies with all relevant Wikipedia policy and needs to be judged on its own merits, and makes a clear assertion of notability, which is far more than precedent requires for such articles. Alansohn 17:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete on the same grounds as the last AfD. I am confused why this was resubmitted to AfD. Eusebeus 19:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "Ditto" is not an acceptable excuse for deletion, nor is this article the same one that you automatically rejected last time. Which Wikipedia policy does this article violate? Alansohn 19:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Resembles more like a directory for seemingly nn places.--JForget 23:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 06:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete WP is not a directory, if this stays we'll have List of laudramats in Somerset County, New Jersey, List of bars in Somerset County, New Jersey, and List of fire stations in Somerset County, New Jersey, and dozens of others and multiply that by a couple thousand counties in the US and the same worldwide. Cemeteries are note inherently notable, lists of them aren't either. Carlossuarez46 17:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


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