Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of chapters and colonies of Tau Kappa Epsilon


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. (note: this was my first ever closing of an afd discussion. I am NOT an admin but am closing this afd (which has lasted for longer than 5 days) as a keep consensus without any dissenting opinion except for the nominator as permitted by this policy section. Please let me know if I have made any missteps. Thanks!) Bwithh 09:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

List of chapters and colonies of Tau Kappa Epsilon
This entire list is a collection of external links to local chapters of this organization. Such a list violates what Wikipedia is not and external links guidelines. If such a list were cleaned up (i.e. the links removed) it would be unencyclopedic as none of these chapters have articles on Wikipedia (and probably never will since almost every local chapter of an organization such as this is non-notable). Metros232 15:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Also nominating: List of Sigma Chi chapters —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Metros232 (talk • contribs) 15:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Weak Keep Other fraternities/sororities have lists of local chapters and this is certainly proper content for an encyclopedia. Ideally, this could be merged with the TKE page, but the list is far too long and unweildy to do that.  Of course, the fact that the list is far too long might be an indication that it's not really proper to list this group's chapters.--Velvet elvis81 15:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment But doesn't it just accomplish everything that's on their organization's website at the chapter locator? Metros232 16:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I have removed the external links to individual chapters from BOTH pages to address that specific issue. &mdash;ScouterSig 16:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep the List of Sigma Chi chapters: this list includes historical information not found on the General Fraternity webpage or through a google search. The TKE list could also be edited to include similar information; there is a continued discussion on its talk page. &mdash;ScouterSig 16:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC


 * Keep I think that the list of chapters is encyclopedic, and for larger fraternaties/sororities like these, it should be on a separate page. If you are not going to allow stuff like this, then what about stuff like List of United Parcel Service hubs?  --rogerd 17:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't rely on the Pokemon test for proving an article's worth. &mdash;ScouterSig 18:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I personally don't want chapter lists on Wikipedia considering anyone can easily go to the national website wherein the reader will find a more comprehensive and updated chapter list. I've argued for this in the past. Having long chapter lists are redundant, however I vote keep on the basis that this issue has been dealt with on several individual fraternity articles and the consensus was to make a seperate chapter list. -- † Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 18:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I pretty much have to say "Ditto" to Dysepsion's comment above. I personally think that the chapter rolls are out of place on Wikipedia entirely- especially so for larger organizations such as this one. However the consensus at WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities seems to be to have such chapter rolls... so be it if that's what everyone wants. However, once you allow these lists you can't really object to the external links that go along with the individual constituents of the lists because they directly relate and illuminate that content- in fact they can almost be considered citations in a way in that they attest to the existence of that chapter. --Elipongo (Talk 08:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep from the creator I was hesitant to make the list when I did, but it was out of a bit of a necessity. Being the largest fraternity by chapters in the world, the list was gunking up the main article.  I'd get rid of it entirely, but since it's such a large fraternity it is invariable that EL and chapter lists were tinkered with almost daily by anon editors.  Keep out the external links, and keep the list for brevity's sake.   Teke ( talk ) 00:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.