Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of characters in Titanic (1997 film) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 14:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

List of characters in Titanic (1997 film)
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This was previously nominated in August. The verdict was 'Keep', but as one of the Keep supporters argued, 'delete in a few weeks if no proof or inclusion of real-world content is given.' It is now November, and the article remains utterly unreferenced, and violates WP:FICT by being written almost entirely in in-universe style and giving no evidence for real-world notability. It also arguably violates WP:NOT, since the text here is effectively one long plot summary. Terraxos 03:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article definitely needs improvement, but an argument is often made that a list-of-characters article should be kept. Most of these types of articles are nothing but plot, but I've seen great arguments from great editors on how it is a way to have an article on several or more characters and summarize it all without having all of that in the film or show, etc. article that these characters come from. At this moment, I'm kind of undecided on how I feel about this article. Flyer22 04:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notable list of people. As a side note, if this list were deleted, it would probably cause people to create individual articles for all of the characters, which would be a big mess.  Anyhow, I see no reason to delete this, as that film is highly notable, and the characters are also. - Rjd0060 04:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, need references, but there is no deadline. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 08:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. I agree with Rjd0060 that the characters in the blockbuster movie, based on a real event, are notable.  Some were based on real people, like the Captain Smith and Molly Brown; even those that were fictitious are representative of persons onboard the ship, in the sense that Jack Dawson would be drawn from any one of the many Irish passengers in steerage.  I can only hope that it avoids this latest iceberg.  Mandsford 20:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. People state this is "notable", but don't provide any third-party sources to back up their assertions. If editors can't bother finding some decent sources, I fail to see why Wikipedia needs something that does nothing but regurgitate the plot of a film multiple times and adds some original research along the way. "List of characters" is generally only a disguise for an overlong and overdetailed plot summary. ' 22:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. It doesn't have to be generally only a disguise for an overlong and overdetailed plot summary. Flyer22 23:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it had to be. But it is. ' 01:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe this one is. Flyer22 01:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Is what? A disguise for an overlong and overdetailed plot summary? Glad to see we agree. ' 03:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe. Flyer22 05:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Plot summaries don't need references; the movie is the reference. Other things here might need referencing, but that could be fixed. Panichappy 15:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thing is, Wikipedia articles aren't supposed to be plot summaries. Nobody here has addressed this issue. ' 16:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The list of characters and plot summaries in the main Titanic articles serve the same purpose and do not go into excessive detail. –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge to titanic film. Brian Boru is awesome 01:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.